Comments on Point:Counterpoint-Boys Are Hotter When They Play Music (but the music has to be GOOD)

The quality of music definately matters, case in point... Jared Leto.

I'm just trying to figure out how you're old enough to have listened to Dramarama's* Vinyl but young enough to still refer to the opposite sex as "boys."

I mean, sure, that Damien Kulash guy, he's like 30, but he still kinda seems like "a boy;" but Ted? He's a man, baby.

(*pronounced with fey Dave Kendall British accent)

I feel like when you are talking about irrational crushes, men should always be referred to as boys.

And Jared Leto proves my point- He is a totally hot guy in THE WORST BAND IMAGINABLE. He is still totally hot even though his music makes me puke. I would just have to bring some Listerine if he made me go to his shows.

I'm not even a girl (or a gay) and it's easy to see that Megan is right. You're both using only "kinda cool" rock bands with already attractive boys as examples of sucking bands. Try some bands that really, REALLY suck. Is Vanilla Ice hot? I saw him play a keyboard once. What about John Popper? Geddy Lee? John Fogerty? Steve Vai?!?!? I could go on.

Y'all need some controls in this here experiment.

Debate class grade: C-

Jared Leto is NO LONGER HOT! The eyeliner?! The greasy haircut? The really, really, REALLY shitty songs!? Any crush I had on that dude circa "My So-Called Life" has since vanished. Abso-fuckin'-lutely vanished.

Also, yes, Ted Leo is a man. And I am a woman. But when I'm talking about superficial crushes on characters that may as well be fictional (in that, I have never met them and probably never will), then I always call men boys. They're only men to me once they don't make me want to flutter my eyelashes at them.

We're not using as an example ugly men. No one wants to have sex with ugly dudes (unless there is money in it).

I can name terrible bands with hot dudes. I was going to use as my example Pete Wentz. He is totally slamming and he looks good with his bass on. Fall Out Boy sucks. It doesn't deter from his hotness in the least.

Would I have sex with him? Yes.
Would I tell my friends? No.
If Fall Out Boy was good, would it make him hotter? No. He is already a chunk of delicious man meat.

Whoa, Rush sucks? Listen to 'Moving Pictures' and tell me Rush sucks. They may be getting cheesy in their old age, but you just can't say the Rush sucks.

And John Popper is like the greatest hamonica player of all time.

ugly dude in rad band = appreciation for band, which in turn = elevation of ugly dude to higher looks status.

ugly dude in shitty band = ugly dude in shitty band.

i don't want to try to bring too much reason to this discussion, but:

if the quality of the music matters, and since there are more bad bands out there than good bands, megan would effively be saying that being in a band is more likely to make a boy less hot.

This would have been my husband's 39th birthday. When I met him as a 28 year old shaved head graphic designer; he was getting a divorce, and his life as a musician with his former wife was well behind him. He never had the most classically beautiful faces, but he was the one who made me laugh... and in my book, that trumps pretty any day. I miss him playing his acoustic... practicing whatever song he liked enough at the moment to teach himself and I miss laughing with him. I know it sounds odd not to say I miss sex, but that was always a personal couple's rhythm best left unspoken. I miss you sweetheart...
Happy Birthday baby.

trent.. you're right.. reading that post back, it does imply that Rush sucks, which they don't.

what i meant to list is bands that Ari and Megan probably think suck. you know.. bands that have been around more than 8 weeks and have members over the age of 22.

a young steve vai ain't to bad looking: http://www.united-mutations.com/v/vai01.jpg

He knows how to wear short sleeves, for sure.

What are you talking about, Too Easy? The example I cite as loving is Ted Leo, dude. He's been around for years. As Ted Leo and the Pharmacists but he was also in Chisel.

He's way older than 22, thankyouverymuch.

I'd have to say NO. The worst is when a guy thinks he's hot because he plays music. Look up any random one on myspace like this guy: http://www.myspace.com/jakereal

Terrible music=terrible depression=moody=high maintenance=lousy in bed=lousy all over the place.

That's my reasoning.

Good music=self esteem=easy going=great in bed=overall good guy.

Taste, Megan, is completely subjective. Meaning that aforementioned dude in band can be attractive whether his creative output is grandiose or complete shit.

...remember that REALLY strong saxophone player in the opening scene of Lost Boys... the one that was covered in sweat and had all that sassy attitude?? He was pretty dreamy, huh?

p.s. What about girls that play instruments?

p.p.s. Why aren't there many girls that play really long and super-gross guitar solos?

Hey Michaelpants! Check out Marnie Stern! She's a guitar goddess.

"The quality of music definitely matters."

-- i agree, but "taste" is subjective. i do think that artists and musicians (male and female) are hotter in general... because they have passion and drive to express themselves (like their art/music or not).

just sayin'