do they pay lisencing fees for those mixes? please do not pay for these dj mixes when the "dj's" haven't paid licensing. i doubt they've licensed all those tunes and now want us to pay to download their shit? not gonna happen.

someone find out if they've paid to use the songs they're now charging others to download. this reeks of bullshit.

Shut up, Question. $5 barely covers shipping and manufacturing. Mixtapes are considered free promotion by nearly every musician, exec, and grandma on earth, unless you're Metallica. Are you Metallica? You're not? So, eat it nerd and chill bill.

sorry, but DJ mixes are plentiful online and they're all FREE! charging for a mix of tunes you're not paying royalties on is wrong. if they wanted promotion, they'd upload the mixes to sendspace or somewhre else and make them free, as most every other dj does. charging for these mixes, when they have no right to do so, is fucked up.

these mixes, as far as i know are NOT available online for download, and as i said in the post besides the well thought out music lines, the cd's are all tracked (a rarity i find in bootleg mixes) and THE PACKAGING IS REALLY INGENIOUS.

why are you so jaded about this "question". also i have to say that a lot of the tracks on these mixes are oop. so who's gonna get any money from them anyway? just sayin...

seeing as how they come from a club/promoter who regularly hires big name dj's, i'm just assuming they pay ascap SOMETHING. for redistributing, probably not, but then we wouldn't hear these mixes if they followed all the rules (and thus paid out their asses, bankrupting them in the end).

i assume the $5 goes to the packaging and manufacturing and distro. yeah they could put it up online, but then i wouldn't have the cool plastic baggies and poster inserts and buttons and stickers... that come with them.

much better deal then the $15 you pay for a fabric mix where all you get is a tin can!

How much do you think it costs per unit to manufacture a cd, jewel case, tray card and then ship it to Seattle?

why would you pay anything when you could put a link on your webpage and have people download for free?

with that 5 dollars you could go on Gemm.com and buy the JBO compilation with the Weatherall mix of Soon, or the Orb cd single with the edit of Little Fluffy Clouds.

the point is, these people are charging money for a dj mix they have no right to charge for. why aren't there links to download the mix for free? are you telling me they'd go through all this trouble and not make a single penny in profit? sounds unlikely. if they are doing this and not making any profit it sounds absolutely ignorant.

what's the real reason for supporting these people? is this just something you randomly stumbled on? there's no conflict of interest here is there?

touche p.t.!

I have to step in here. Question, there's no conflict of interest, these are just good DJs (esp. Tim Sweeney).

That being said, I do kind of agree that it's wasteful and stupid to press and ship a DJ mix when you could just upload/download the whole thing for free on both ends. But then, and I know Dave Segal will be rolling over in his OC grave, I never really cared that much about packaging—when it's neat (like the Microphones' pop-up gatefold for It Was Hot, We Stayed In The Water it's neat, but I'm still mainly interested in hearing the music. The container's not that important.

How much do you think it costs per unit to manufacture a cd, jewel case, tray card and then ship it to Seattle?

Posted by Pretty Titty | April 13, 2007 12:14 PM

i'd guess about 3-4 dollars per unit. which means they're making 1-2 bucks per copy.

making any amount of money by selling music you don't have the rights to sell, is wrong. this project should not be supported.

Bite your tongue - them's fightin' words EG!

What the fuck else am I supposed to roll my joints on except my gatefold Electric Lady Land Lp (British version). You are obviously no child of the 70s. Pity that.

yes, i agree Eric, and Tim Sweeny's Beats In Space mixes are free and plentiful. The DFA released many mixes for free including a couple by Tim. i don't see Tim Sweeny printing and charging for his unlicensed dj mixes. this is 100% bullshit and should not be supported. Dj's who don't license the tracks, should never, under any circumstances charge for their mix. why is that so hard to understand? i don't give a shit if the jewel case is made of gold, it's not right to charge for music you've not licensed.

question you're wrong. admit it.

or more to the point. who cares. if you feel it would be cheating the dj. don't buy them. if not, do, 'cause these mixes are tight. but making a big stink out of it, especially when you're talking about downloading them for free, with nobody getting paid (not the artist, not the record company, not the dj, not the guys putting together the packages and taking them to the post office) is ironic in the fucking extreme. You are the one who's really cheating people out by downloading music illegally, and not wanting anyone to even get recognition for their hard work. period. that's kinda class-less i think.

also, you don't think that maybe the $1-2 profit might go to the...dj? who rightfully deserves it for taking the time and energy to put the thing together in the first place.

these cd's, i forgot to mention, are also limited runs. with the exception of the tim sweeney, which was repressed. so there not selling them to make huge profits. when they sell out, with the exception of the sweeney mix, they're gone.

ok terry, it's similar to the debate between Allofmp3.com and simple P2P downloading. What is more fucked up? Paying a Russian site for mp3's they're not paying royalties for or downloading for free? There are many, many dj's out there who post their mixes for FREE. That's where the "promotional" part comes from. If this DJ wants credit and money, they need to license the tunes and pay royalties for them.

So Terry, where do you stand on Allofmp3.com?

question you're wrong. admit it. or more to the point. who cares.

Am I wrong or do you just not care that the artists (who deserve the money) aren't getting paid?

if you feel it would be cheating the dj. don't buy them.

No, it's the DJ who's cheating the artists by not paying royalties, then charging for the mix. Do you not see how this is wrong?

but making a big stink out of it, especially when you're talking about downloading them for free, with nobody getting paid (not the artist, not the record company, not the dj, not the guys putting together the packages and taking them to the post office) is ironic in the fucking extreme.

That's how it works Terry. DJ's make mixes and give them out for FREE. Post them online, hand them out etc. You don't expect to get paid for your djing unless you get a paying gig or a licensed dj mix compilation. You don't get paid by bootlegging shit...well, you shouldn't anyway. If I was going to give anyone money for a DJ mix it would be the LABEL that has gone through the trouble of licensing the tracks, not some NOBODY DJ WITH A LAPTOP. You do know how very easy it is to do these mixes in Abelton Live, don't you?

You are the one who's really cheating people out by downloading music illegally, and not wanting anyone to even get recognition for their hard work. period. that's kinda class-less i think.

wrong again. it's classless to charge for a mix of OTHER PEOPLES MUSIC that you're not paying for yourself. It costs money to license a mix. I don't give a fuck about their buttons and AMAZING PACKAGING. it's an illegal mix, pure and simple.

also, you don't think that maybe the $1-2 profit might go to the...dj? who rightfully deserves it for taking the time and energy to put the thing together in the first place.

The DJ doesn't deserve a fucking dime for making the mix unless it was made in a club with paying customers or licensed through a record label.

these cd's, i forgot to mention, are also limited runs. with the exception of the tim sweeney, which was repressed. so there not selling them to make huge profits. when they sell out, with the exception of the sweeney mix, they're gone.

Limited Run? Are you kidding me? For a fucking hand made cd that isn't on a label and is ILLEGAL to begin with? Like i fucking care. I'd rather have the actual releases by the artists than give this shady Dj some money. It's cheating the artist. Why can't you see that?

Which is worse? Stealing music outright or charging for stolen music?

I've never used it. i don't like the idea of giving my credit card info to people in a nearly third world / backward country.

but i'll happily give it to the great guys at RVNG!

wait so you're saying it's better to just download for free with absolutely no recognition of any of the artist, over paying $5 for a cool cd that lists all the artists info. i don't see who this helps?

you're argument seems futile and weird. you're really making some odd delineations.

RVNG, a club night that has released 5 cd's and 3 12" singles over the last couple years, can hardly be compared to allofmp3.com.

now you seem to be going off on retarded tangents. sorry, you've lost me, and i fear the rest of us.

question, i don't buy any of your arguments, and you shouldn't buy cd's especially if $5 is too much for you. just keep on doing your kazaa thing bro.

at this point you're trolling. so here's where i exit.

ps.. i looked on gemm and there is, like no fucking way you could order a mint copy of the mbv soon remixes and have them shipped from anywhere for $5.

fyi, i spend appx 300-400 dollars a month at local record shops and online. i also download my fair share of music.

it's bizarre you keep calling them "great guys" and you know so much about them. i'm not convinced you don't either know the guys doing it or have some connection to them.

it's pretty sad that you can't follow my argument. paying these guys for a mix is exactly the same as paying Allofmp3.com. the artists involved are not getting money from either sale. there is absolutely no difference between paying money to the RVNG guys and downloading an album for free online or for 10cents on Allofmp3.com. In each case, copyright laws are being broken. Do you understand that?

Hey Terry, 2 minutes online has yielded this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0000089F5/ref=sr_1_olp_1/103-5481364-3837405?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1176500383&sr=1-1

that's a 2cd collection featuring the full, unmixed version of Weatheralls mix of Soon, plus tons of other great songs. the price is 7.99. sorry i mispoke.

A bit of trivia:
Justine D actually turns up briefly in Da Ali G Show, and looks rather foolish (as does pretty much everyone else who appears on the show) while talking to Bruno (Sascha Baron-Cohen's gay Austrian fashonista alter-ego).

That said, I knew Justine when I lived in New York, and thought she was one of the kindest, most down-to-earth people there.

I forgot to mention, I've got a mixtape coming out in May with the Spankrock guys that will be available for download or if you'd like a cool album cover and something to hold on to you can buy an actual CD for $5. It's for promotional use only and the $5 will go towards the cost of manufacturing. Question, I'll put a complimentary one aside for you because I know how you'll only be able to live with yourself if you're music free of cost.

you're music free of cost=you're music is free of cost

you're music free of cost=you're music is free of cost

Your grammar is still wrong. Try again.

Haha. It's true. I'm a mess. your music free of cost=your music is free of cost. I now hate myself.

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