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Monday, April 23, 2007

“Kids Don’t Care About Robert Christgau,” or The EMP Pop Conference

posted by on April 23 at 16:15 PM

During the final event in a long weekend of geeking out about music, an open discussion about “The Future of Thinking About Music For a Living,” Pitchfork news editor Amy Phillips stood up in a Thermals t-shirt and told a room full of critical and academic heavies that they are basically dinosaurs. “Kids don’t care about Robert Christgau or Simon Reynolds,” she said (Christgau had left to catch a plane, but Reynolds was still there, and he seemed rather unconcerned about these “kids”). Phillips went on to say that kids want their music (and presumably their musical discourse) fast, yesterday even, that they want to hear their own voices online, and that critics no longer have the “luxury” of taking time to think about music.

Of course this upset a few people. Taking time to think about music is the nature of the job, they said, or in the words of Tim Kipp, “We can’t accept The Death of Rumination, or of cognition.” At the edges of all this conversation was the fear (perhaps stronger for young critics than for veterans) that the “Future of Thinking About Music For a Living” might not look that bright.

It was an important discussion to have, but it was also kind of a sour way to end a weekend full of awesome, even luxurious, thinking about music.

Friday 4/20, 2:15-4:00pm: Urban Dance Squads

One thing I learned at that panel was that sometimes my favorite writers aren't my favorite speakers. I think Simon Reynolds is a genius, but his presentation ran long, had some poorly timed musical snippets, and read a bit dry. That said, the actual text of his presentation—about the evolution of London-specific musical forms such as jungle, garage, grime, and dubstep—was nothing short of fascinating. Cosmo Lee and Geeta Dayal both discussed Berlin techno, though they approached it from different angles. Both talks were fairly informative, but Dayal's was definitely more fun. Tim Lawrence's anecdotes and slide-show—about translating legendary New York DJ David Mancusso famous, utopian Loft parties to London and clashing with a certain lager-swilling lads-night-out dance culture—was hilarious and unexpected, a standout presentation.


4:15-4:45pm: Futurisms

I was excited for Dominique Leone's ambitious "What You Hear is Never What They Heard, and What You Get is Never What They Had," an attempt to apply theories of relativity to the time/space warping of musical discussion and distribution on the internet. But the tiny room was packed and fromthe floor in the back Leone's (un-amplified?) voice got lost in the buzz of ventilation. Even still, his effort to chart response times to the new LCD Soundsystem record, from its first leak to the consensus formed before its release to the eventual critical weighing in, was important and well-researched. After his talk I left to go blog.


Saturday 4/22, 11:30am-12:45pm: A Seventies Moment

On Saturday, I arrived just in time to catch the end of Yuval Taylor's "Pretty Good: BAd Vibes and American Rock Culture, 1970-1972," which from what I heard sounded— wait for it—pretty good. The next presenter, Nate Chinen, wins the award for best timing ever. He delivered his speech, "Destination Nowhere: Miles Davis and Neil Young at the Filmore East," with a live recording of Neil Young playing quietly in the background. His talk was timed so perfectly that he made his points and came to breaks just as Young's vocals would appear after long instrumental passages, at which point Chinen would signal the sound guy to crank the volume and stand back. It was electric. Mairead Case delivered a fittingly personal and poetic ode to Karen Dalton, another obscure treasure unearthed by the Light in the Attic crate diggers.


12:00-12:45pm: Displaced Listening

I left that panel before Greil Marcus' "Time, Place, and Manner: The Rod Stewart Moment." I know, I know, it's Greil Marcus, but I felt more compelled by the promise of Brain Goedde and Elena Passarello's examination of rural Iowan responses to urban hip hop culture, "Urban Music in the Teenage Heartland." As a bonus, I caught the tail-end of Mike Powell's "Pyongyang Hit Parade." Powell, who looks a bit like Blur's Damon Albarn (ie. better than music critics ought to look), looked at the official popular music (and there appears to be no other kind) of North Korea with a mix of curiosity, love, and impossible distance.

Geodde and Passarello's presentation was the only "documentary theater" of the weekend, with Passerello delivering monologues culled from interviews with three Iowan hip hop fans. Her portrayal felt like caricature at times, especially during the second monologue when the interviewed girl asks if Gwen Stefani is a hip hop artist and talks about learning about 50 Cent from Forbes magazine. The presentation also stood out as the only one I saw that completely lacked an authoritative voice, which is to say that these Iowans weren't experts and they could only communicate so much about hip hop or even their own relationship to it. It was one of the only moments in the conference that cut through the critical discourse to actually show what popular appreciation really sounds like.


2:15-4:00pm: Selling the Scene

Tom Kipp's "Secret History of Montana Postpunk: The LAst Great Undiscovered Scene in Rock and Roll!" (a nod to moderator Greil Marcus' Lipstick Traces was a funny and fond personal account about a handful of college kids who tried to instigate a postpunk scene in Montana to little success (although that group of kids launched both Steve Albini and Joel RL Phelps). Courtney Harding traced the arc of local rag The Rocket, an interesting story maybe, but not the most riveting presentation. RJ Smith's "City Slang: The Art of Detroit & Detroit in the Art of Destroy All Monsters" was a fun and knowledgeable deconstruction of the art collective's revisionist murals of Detroit rock history.


4:15-5:30: Breaks In Time: Rethinking Hip Hop Roots

By Saturday evening, I was starting to feel a little brain-dead. Even so, this was one of the most enjoyable panels of the weekend. Ned Sublette was an involved and entertaining moderator, stepping in to clap or count out the occasional beat, and genuinely digging on every song sampled throughout the talk. Another thing that elevated this panel was how tightly connected the topics were. Oliver Wang's "We Like it Like That: The Black and Brown Sound of Boogaloo" traced a kind of pre-history for the hip hop break that Jeff Chang picked up for his "1969-1973: The Birth of the Bronx Beat." Garnette Cadogan's exploration "Begin at the Beginning: Jamaican Popular Music in Jamaica" was great even if his patois was sometimes confusing initially difficult (that voice would prove an integral part of the entertaining presentation). I left before the fourth panelist, exhausted.

That night, former Weekly music editor and all-around good guy Michelangelo Matos hosted a humid, boozy house party where nerds and critics talked shop, drank, and danced to an iPod-driven sound system playing all the critical hits. Thanks, Matos.


*One frustrating thing about the conference was how much great material was scheduled at nine in the damn morning. I know there's a lot to cram in at a conference like this, but I feel like rock criticism shouldn't really start before noon. We all have concerts to go to at night, right? I missed Christgau, Sasha Frere-Jones, and an entire panel about the Wu Tang Clan all because I had nightlife to sleep off.

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1

i think robert christgau is dope. he is often wrong but when he's right he can be so right. pitchfork on the other hand ... was nitsuh abebe at the conference? he's the only rock-solid thing they've got going since kristin sage rockermann ascended to news editor and then left what is now for all intents and purposes a sunken ship.

Posted by josh | April 23, 2007 4:42 PM
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Uhm, pop music is brainless, mindless from the start. If you're talking about kids who still like Pop, then yes, they don't care and they want it yesterday. However, don't put all kids in with kids-who-like-pop. Not all youngsters are interested in having their musical tastes force-fed to them.

Posted by ididntreadthepost | April 23, 2007 4:47 PM
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I am flattered at being mentioned [favorably!] twice in Eric's blog, but wanted to amend his quotation of what I said at the "Future of..." discussion, though his rendering above is even pithier than my own. What passed my lips was: "We can't accept The Death of Rumination, or of cognition. We CAN'T accept it!"
Best regards,
Tom Kipp

Posted by Tom Kipp | April 23, 2007 7:02 PM
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I was at the conference from start to finish. I loved most of it- there were a couple of moments where speakers rambled a little too long or I disagreed with their approach to consumption/criticism, but for the most part I was enthralled and inspired.

However.

Ms. Phillips is correct. Music consumption is changing and for the most part, critics haven't been as quick to catch up with current trends in how people are receiving info about music. Now...I love "think" pieces- I love to indulge every intellectual impulse while listening to a particular piece of music- EVEN POP MUSIC- WHICH IS NOT BRAINLESS IN ANY WAY. (How dare you be so elitist, #2? Every little piece of pop is art in one way or another- is smart in some little way- even "My Humps") However, as often as I read Greil Marcus, I'm also on the hunt for concise reviews. I like to think of it in the same way as I think about film criticism. There's a lot of beautiful long-form writing about films, but there are also a lot of brief and informative reviews that are easy to access through newspapers or websites. All Ms. Phillips was saying was that critics need to get their heads out of their well-educated, beautiful sentence constructing asses and catch up with "the kids." In this age where a band that was "hot" six months ago is lukewarm today, magazines and newspapers are at a serious disadvantage. Critics need to be thinking about new and creative ways to reach younger readers. Otherwise, we'll lose them altogether.

As for Pitchfork- I used to talk shit about them too. It's pretty easy to make fun of "hipsters," right? I had lots of half-baked opinions- about their ironic distance, about their sometimes wanky reviews- but, for the most part anyway, I was wrong. They work really hard to keep on top of their game- great writers like William Bowers, Douglas Wolk, Drew Daniel of Matmos, Mairead Case, Julianne Shepherd, all the news writers, etc etc etc...contribute beautiful pieces of writing all the time. As far as I can tell, they love what they do and are utterly committed to music. No sunken ship there.

Posted by afan | April 23, 2007 7:04 PM
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Mr Kipp, my apologies. I'll amend that quote.

Posted by Eric Grandy | April 23, 2007 7:05 PM
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Great piece, Eric!

There is too too much to absorb from this... so I'll just say this.

Maybe the "Pop Music Conference" name is turning off a lot of people. I can't think of a better name, but by definition, it's really a "pop culture conference focusing on music from the core to the atmosphere or something like that."

The commenter at #2 said what he/she said without even reading Eric's mention of a MONTANA POST-PUNK DISCUSSION by Tom Kipp. Yes, Ein Heit and Albini are sooo totally American Idol.

I don't expect all of the readers here to be into these vertigo-like music analyses or anything... different strokes, folks, etc., but since this was free, and with the hopes of the location and lack of cover charge remaining the same next year, you should come out to check out at least a few things that look interesting to you. That's what I did many years ago, and this conference is now like my Burning Man.. except a few less dirt-hippies and dust and no fee.

Posted by matthew fisher wilder | April 23, 2007 8:04 PM
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I was with Amy Phillips up until she got to her conclusion. Yes, "kids" want their music yesterday, but I think that means that the future of the album review as rapid consumer guide might be waning. But if anything, I'd hope that the rapid availability of music and spaces for instantaneous online discourse would actually allow more time for others to have the "luxury" of cognition, discourse, and context.

I really wanted to ask if actual kids (teens) read Pitchfork. The "future" of thinking about music is probably a combination of what we have now hybridize with something that doesn't yet exist.

But I agree. The Pop Music Conference was astoundingly good. We're hugely lucky to have it in our backyard.

Posted by josh | April 23, 2007 8:59 PM
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#7: hell yes teenagers read pitchfork. and #4 is right that although it will always be a fun site to talk shit about, the writing has gotten better. still, the main reason people check it out is because they update the content five days a week.

Posted by ndrwmtsn | April 24, 2007 12:15 PM
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That's Geeta Dayal, btw.

Posted by Matos | April 26, 2007 9:19 AM
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I was coincidentally writing about this very subject at my blog earlier this week, and posted more this morning after seeing this post and that at Catbirdseat.

I'm with Mr. Kipp on this one--we can't accept the death of rumination! The internet has changed the way people consume music, yes. But that doesn't mean albums don't affect people's experience any more. It doesn't mean that one can't engage music on some level beyond head-nodding.

The problem I see in Phillips' statement and in a lot of what is passing for discourse on the net is that "consumption" and "discourse" have been conflated and confused. Just because I can HEAR the song you are writing about doesn't mean there's nothing to say. Critics, whether in print or online, are absolutely essential.

Posted by pgwp | April 26, 2007 12:05 PM
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Thanks, Matos. Fixed.

Posted by Eric Grandy | April 26, 2007 1:46 PM
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oops - I linked to the wrong place in my previous post: http://wishiwerethere.typepad.com/pgwp

Posted by pgwp | April 26, 2007 4:38 PM

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