Big love for Croc, I have.

Crap.

Say it ain't so!

Points to be made: 1. Her divorce from Peter Buck (no more deep pockets).

2. Do a google search on Stephanie Dorgan and you'll see a couple of news stories that show you she does not keep the most accurate books.

Add it all up and you get some new condos in that space in the near future.

the point made above is a good one: the place has been there for 17 years, so she must be doing something right, which might just be hiring competent people. the common complaint im hearing is that "she just doesnt care about the crocodile as much as we do," which is really hard to verify, even from someone who worked there.

Does anyone ever ask *why* most music clubs don't last more than a handful of years? Nope, it's just accepted, and everyone lives with the constant turnover of names, locations, owners, bookers, etc. I bet if you dug into the guts of these places, you could pinpoint the problems and solve them. Maybe the folks who run Neumo's, or Linda's/King's/Smith, could have a similar show, digging into the area clubs and bars that are just getting by, and shake them up.

Hint: When paychecks are bouncing, that is *not* a healthy business, no matter how long its doors have been open.

I would hate to see it sold, but none of that excuses the fact that something is going on behind the scenes there.

My curiosity led me to do a simple google search. I was merely pointing out what was quoted in the article.

good luck Pete...nothing but respect for Mr. Greenberg on this end.
Pete's integrity and vision for that club will be sorely missed by all, especially the club itself.

Bounced checks suck. It happened at the Re-Bar.

When you rarely see your boss at the venue you're working for in question, then somebody totally has the right to question his bosses passion. Happened at the Re-Bar.

It's hard to absorb the stress owners go through, and vent out at you when personal stuff happens to them. Saw it at the Re-Bar.

And you're right, It's not proper to tell your boss that she doesn't get it, even when she doesn't. Everybody including patrons know it's a high turnover industry, and that they should feel lucky they're not losing money.

All this aside, we as a community should also be realizing that bars and venues around the area are currently going through a really *rough* time. All bar owners are stressed right now! With all the weird legislation being proposed and counter-proposed, can you blame them?

You did the right thing Pete. Now that bar can her problem. Time will only tell if she can turn the place around or not...

FRI NOV 30 $10adv/dos
90.3 KEXP PRESENTS:
CAVE SINGERS
PORT O'BRIEN
FLEET FOXES

SAT DEC 1 $FREE
THE SAVE A PENNY SERIES CONTINUES WITH:
107.7 THE END'S YOUNG & THE RESTLESS PRESENTS:
THROW ME THE STATUE
(EP RELEASE SHOW!)
THE SHAKY HANDS
CHARLENE
(JEFF & MARK FROM AVEO!)

Anyway, good luck finding work after trashing your former employer

First off, it is obvious beyond a reasonable doubt that the issues at the Crocodile were occurring long before Stephanie and Peter Buck divorced, so lets no even mention that again, please. Anyone that says otherwise is just fooling themselves and is in denial.

Secondly has anyone not seen the pattern or red flags as far as the valuable employees that have left for one reason or another over the last year or so? Not to take anything away from the current story of Pete Greenburg leaving the Crocodile, but there's a "Bigger Picture" story waiting to be told and everyone is avoiding it.(that means you Stranger and Weekly) I understand ex-employees who know more than they are willing to say publicly are out there. I know they don't want to be that person that slams their ex employer but the truth needs to come out.

Anyone wonder why Val (bar) left? To #17 on the list, you said, “To me respect is earned not given.” What kind of respect is the owner and sister giving you when they aren’t honest about being behind on the rent? Anyone really know why Val (bar) left? Anyone really know why Chrispy (security) left? Anyone really know why Kristine Wood (ex-booking) left? Anyone really know why the café closed? Anyone wonder why the owners’ sister has been doing the books all these years after the lawsuit in the early 90’s? Anyone wonder why certain (local) bands aren’t playing there anymore and it’s NOT the bookers fault? This is one of many reasons why clubs get a bad reputation (and then the city gets a bad reputation), because of the inexperienced and unknowledgeable owners who own a club for the wrong reason.

It’s like someone who spends millions of dollars on a Monet just so they can say “I own a Monet” but they never appreciate the painter or the painting itself for what it really is and never invest money to take care of it and after several years it ends up in their garage as an afterthought.

In no way do I like to see a club go under, especially the Crocodile, but I strongly believe that those of us that are passionate about being in the music industry, in one form or another, and respect it the way it should be have the right to ask these questions, and more, of their owners when the situation is warranted in order to maintain a high level of respect between bands, local or otherwise, and music venues. In the “Big Picture” of it all it benefits everyone, owners, employees, and patrons alike.

However, the veggie ruben, and the crocs fries, are two of the best greasy/fatty/grossy food items in Seattle... although one time I did find a band-aid in my spinach salad (take out) and not in the pretty way. I tasted something "medical" while I was chewing, and spit it out, and it was a band-aid. This made me so sad.

Long story short, Pete is cool, the Crocs security sucks, the Veggie Ruben is fantastic, and the Spinach Salad has band-aids in it. As does the green room/whatever you call that thing. But that's a different kind of band aids.

Just one less reason to go to Belltown... all that remains now is scoring crack and the Lava Lounge...