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Tuesday, January 22, 2008

Re: Jenny Bendel Will Book King Cobra

posted by on January 22 at 12:55 PM

So, maybe this is old news. Here’s a fresh question: How are Jason Rothman (former editor of Disheveled Mag, no booking experience) and Bendel (who’s been booking Sunday matinee shows at the Sunset) going to fill a 500 person capacity room across the street from Neumo’s?

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Are you kidding? She booked the Rain City Schwillers!!!!!!*


*I know, they are nice guys.

Posted by eric w. | January 22, 2008 1:35 PM
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Maybe you should ask them. You know, the source, rather than leave it to anonymous shit talkers on the internets.

Posted by Jeff | January 22, 2008 1:40 PM
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while i bet they will fuck up every now and again (who doesn't?), both jason & jenny have a lot of good will behind them and given time i'm sure they will do just fine.

it's my opinion the more live music venues there are in seattle the better, so i personally will be giving them my support and not my doubt.

good luck kids!

brian foss
the funhouse

Posted by brianmyfatass | January 22, 2008 2:01 PM
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Get Nightwish to play.

Ok, don't get Nightwish to play.

Get Earth, Wind, and Nightwish to play. It's Finnish Earth, Wind, and Fire, but with shitty metal guitars and even shittier orchestral singing.

Ok, don't get Earth, Wind, and Nightwish to play. Man, I'm stumped.

Posted by trent moorman | January 22, 2008 2:02 PM
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Well, I donít know Jason but Jenny Bendel is a tenacious rock n roll machine with the brains and charm to pull it off

Posted by Bland | January 22, 2008 2:06 PM
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I think like all the other bookers in town that came from various experience and backgrounds. They will book bands that they think their audience/patrons will like.

Posted by jens | January 22, 2008 2:06 PM
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How's about we give props to JennyB for bringing Rock back to Cap Hill.

Posted by Pope | January 22, 2008 2:09 PM
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Actually.. many of the '4 O Clock Rock' bands didn't really "Rock" per se..

Posted by just sayin' | January 22, 2008 2:14 PM
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I'd like to see some Emerson, Lake, and Nightwish, if that's cool.

Posted by Ari Spool | January 22, 2008 2:14 PM
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Eric, do you even know what the fuck you are writing about? Have you set foot in there? Have you even talked to anyone involved in the project?

It amazes me that crackshots like yourself get paid to write shit do know nothing about.

Posted by bobcat | January 22, 2008 2:15 PM
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Get Earth, Wind, and Nightwish to play.

how about earth (the klf / orb collab), hawkwind, and nightwish. we are on to something.

Posted by cosby | January 22, 2008 2:16 PM
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Since when has ANY Stranger arts/music/theater criticism been credible? Might as well believe any old bum off of the street!!! LOL! Support is always better than doubt or skepticism... ESPECIALLY when there's no reason to shoot someone/something down when they/it hasn't even been given a chance yet!!! Good luck to you Mr. Rothman and Ms. Jenny Bendel... MANY of us are looking forward to another new venture that supports live music around here!
Rick KLU

Posted by Rick KLU | January 22, 2008 2:27 PM
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Unsavory, smarmy questions like this are counterproductive to building a stronger music community. The Stranger is the adult equivalent of a Weekly Reader, so I'm not surprised. These people have a passion for music and the Seattle music community - isn't that enough?

Posted by Philip | January 22, 2008 2:30 PM
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Well I have been to plenty of Jenny shows and they MADE my weekend. I have 100% confidence this place will rock. Frankly, rock clubs have been dying out. This is our only hope. So show some love you indie-lovin, shoe gazin', emo-fied party poops!

Posted by Robin Riot | January 22, 2008 2:31 PM
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Hey Eric...got a question for you...
Have you ever booked a club? If you have, then good on ya. Otherwise, what do you care, until you see the results of what could possibly be a great new rock club? It could go good, it could go bad, who knows...but in another 100 years, it really won't matter, because you were just a journalist stirring up shit, and I am just a local musician who makes less money than you do. I'd say wait and see.

Cheers,
-Fred Speakman-

Posted by Fred Speakman | January 22, 2008 2:38 PM
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Jenny Bendel will do just fine, thank you.
(I don't know Mr. Rothman, but can only guess that he'll learn quickly -- he'd have to.)

More clubs, more variety. Who says that two clubs near each other have to compete for the exact same music every day? Sure, there'll be some competition, but the reality is that there's more than enough fans and bands to go around.

Posted by rlv | January 22, 2008 2:46 PM
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Where's Jonathan Zwickel? Maybe he can answer this question.

Posted by Jeff | January 22, 2008 2:49 PM
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I know they'll do just fine... hopefully they won't drop the ball on hip hop shows... the ish is blowin' up!

Posted by Nick | January 22, 2008 2:58 PM
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I never booked a club before starting at the Blue Moon almost four years ago. I'm doing just fine now. You don't even need a background in this kind of thing -- you just have to be prepared to start by contacting every band you can find and dealing with the 1-in-75 saying yes ratio. Then the fun begins.

Posted by Jason Josephes | January 22, 2008 3:12 PM
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i would be 100% behind them but hey,
that part of town really stinks now have you noticed...?
the only reason a club like neumos can stay up is because they have an experienced booker who is able to cater to all tastes.
moe's and the noise lab certainly didn't.
i just think putting a label on your club from the git go as a rock only venue(that what it it right?) especially on capitol hill isn't the smartest idea.
running a club is no joke unless you got money to play with.

Posted by sap_ire | January 22, 2008 3:16 PM
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Not to be a cunt about it, but perhaps Megan should have posed this question when fact-checking a reader tip before posting it online in the first place.

Doors haven't even opened to this joint yet, and already a vaguely snarky supposition about its health? Wow.

As evidenced by the continued growth of the neighborhood, there is no shortage of folks to support a wide variety of bars, clubs, and venues. I'm sure King Cobra will do just fine.

And, if they don't, everyone can (and will) massacre them online. Until then, it would be nice to see these folks get the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by kerri harrop | January 22, 2008 3:21 PM
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I don't think Eric is necessarily asking a bad question. You can't shit on him just because he's openly speculating about the club. Last I heard, stuff like that is good for business.

No offense Jason, but your place has almost no pressure to draw. You've always booked good music, and have always been down to break new bands. But the hurdle set for King Cobra is a pretty big one.

If this bar succeeds, there is no question it will change the neighborhood. I think all of us are eager to see what it will bring. I've got a question of my own:

Is this primarily a rock venue? Or were they going with the "diverse acts" ticket?

Posted by godsactionfigure | January 22, 2008 3:30 PM
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Jenny will rock your lame ass

Posted by Kwab | January 22, 2008 3:36 PM
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free coke in the bathrooms?

Posted by coker | January 22, 2008 3:38 PM
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OHOHOH, I have a question, too - How is a 27 year old who's journalistic career spans 2 whole years, qualifications include volunteering at the Redmond Firehouse, and has just been named Music Editor for a paper who's music section has seen it's share of upheaval in the last coupla years (including approx. an editor a year, both of which left under suspect conditions since the beautiful and perfect, not to mention fair, informed, and experienced Jennifer Maerz left), how is THAT guy going to do a decent job?

I can't definitively answer either question, both seem very daunting propositions, but I do know I hope for the very best outta Jenny & Jason @ King Cobra, and hope for much better outta you, Grandy. C'MON, now...

Posted by Julianne "Old Dog" Andersen | January 22, 2008 3:43 PM
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I thought Eric's question was valid. Sheesh.

Posted by DrumSchool | January 22, 2008 3:52 PM
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People, are you even reading Eric's question? It's not about the bookers' inexperience; it's about the combination of their limited experience with the club's proximity to another large venue whose bookers are more experienced. It's a valid and valuable question. Commenters here act like this is Pavlov's Blog with all of their snarky salivating. LEARN. HOW. TO. PARSE.

Posted by Nick | January 22, 2008 4:05 PM
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4 o'clock rock truly rocks.
To me giving her a bigger venue to book means she will be able to book better bands.
Seeing how Neumoís mostly books artsy fartsy bands. That leaves the door wide open for quality music.
A little less Ashton Kutcher a little more Lemmy

Posted by Superferret | January 22, 2008 4:11 PM
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A better question would probably be: If they're going with a rock format, is there a big enough audience to keep El Corazon and King Cobra alive at the same time? Seems like those 2 might bump heads over the same tours.

Posted by godsactionfigure | January 22, 2008 4:20 PM
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I don't think proximity is much of an issue - if anything, having good clubs close together can create a synergy that works for both (granted - these are examples from the old days, but The Off Ramp/RCKNDY scene, the Central/Colourbox/OK Hotel axis, and the Vogue/Frontier Room couplet worked pretty well).

Jenny's been involved in the Seattle Rock Scene (TM) for at least 5 years longer than the Stranger is in existence (come to think of it, considering your logic, what were the Stranger's odds of survival considering that the Weekly and the Rocket were both going when it began publication) so I think she'll do as well as anyone can considering the shit economy we're in right now.


Posted by Mr. X | January 22, 2008 4:26 PM
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#27-Perhaps it is Mr. Grandy's inexperience that the very nature of the question is a gray area. Did he mean to call out experience vs. his perceived inexperience (obviously not knowledgeable about either Benderís or Rothman's background or work in the music community) of the bookers? If that was the case, would one want to qualify it next to other booking agents at venues in the area or even more research about the two taking over such a task and their unique abilities? Was it perhaps to call out the proximity of two large venues on the same block? Maybe one would want to write a legitimate piece after talking with various club owners in the area, patrons, and the new owners? Unfortunately it is merely a lazy post to fill up the slog instead of an interesting article that might pose questions and research them with journalistic integrity and skill.

Posted by JS | January 22, 2008 4:48 PM
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Eric,
Some people really must not have much going on in their lives to get so worked up by you! Jeez, I need to get back to work. See you soon.

pb

Posted by paul | January 22, 2008 4:49 PM
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this is crap, i am the original
cobra!!

Posted by michito | January 22, 2008 4:49 PM
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Fully legit question Eric. Too bad people can't see it. From where i sit, King Cobra needs the best booking agents in town in order to succeed and well, those folks are already employed for the most part. I wouldn't want to be one of the investors in King Cobra right now but I do think we should all give them a chance. That neighborhood has potential to be a music hub in Seattle like 6th St. in Austin.
Give it your best shot Jenny and Jason!

Posted by call me a snot | January 22, 2008 5:08 PM
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How can it be compared to Neumos? The Stranger nor Neumos have ever represented my lifestyle or produced anything of interest to myself. It represents the "mainstream" (minus the gentrification) of the hill. Neumos does what it does well, but by far has never represented me. Opening the doors to King Cobra alone presents new opportunities to the hill, and there will be plenty of learning opportunities to come. I commend Shea for taking chances, and Jenny is a dedicated hard worker and has always remained at street level Thats a lot more cred than most promoters in this town. Keep the hill alive and show the support.

Posted by Soto Rebelos CEO CROWN BLACK CAR LLC | January 22, 2008 5:10 PM
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Here's a fresh question: How come the Stranger's music staff seems to run off decent writers (Maerz, Levine, Zwickel) while Megan still has a job?

And while we're at it, where on your resume does it say "edited the music section of weekly newspaper"?

Lack of experience doesn't mean you can't do a good job, but it sure means you're bound to step in some shit once and a while son.

Posted by I'm a Nuclear Bomb | January 22, 2008 5:15 PM
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uhhh.... are they going to be booking guyliner/cyclops type bands at King Cobra too? if not, I wouldn't exactly be worried about it cannibalizing El Corazon's business.

Eric, this is a lame precedent.

Posted by chris tarst | January 22, 2008 5:17 PM
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while i agree that it might SOUND a little snarky and unprofessional (sorry eric, you asked me to call you on your shit), i don't think he meant it that way? i could be wrong. regardless, i can't believe that no one else remembers this:

"Sabado tapped Jason Rothman, the editor and publisher of the former underground music magazine Disheveled, to handle the day-to-day booking, but the club is using many different local bookers that already work with all the live-music venues in the city."

Or, is that not still the case?

Posted by Jedd! | January 22, 2008 5:41 PM
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www.kingcobraseattle.com
www.myspace.com/kingcobraseattle

expect the grand opening very very soon.

and for the record the max capacity for the club was 475 for Sugar. You can probably hold about 125-175 in the stage area easy. The balconies give a great view also.

Posted by bobcat | January 22, 2008 5:47 PM
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Oh hey, and the next time you get all petty about local clubs being closed or bought by AEG Live maybe you should note that this is a new club owned and operated by regular bros. Open the doors first, then call 'em on their shit.

Posted by I'm a Nuclear Bomb | January 22, 2008 5:55 PM
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Hi all, Jenny Bendel here.

It is absolutely true that neither Jason or I have booked a 475-ish capacity live music club. And it is inevitable that we will fuck up from time to time (thanks for the out, Brian). :)

What is also true is that there isn't a place like King Cobra on Capitol Hill, and we hope, and think, that we're putting together a club that will be a great home for rock and roll in the neighborhood. Mamma Casserole books amazing shows at The Comet but the room size is limited for bringing in national touring bands. Neumos & Chop Suey have thrived on their diversity, and that's great.

King Cobra wants to rock, and we will, focusing on supporting rock & roll...and punk, and metal, on both local and national levels. If that's not your thing, then cool - there's other places you can go. But we'd love for y'all to come check us out. We'll also have pinball, and a jukebox, and lots of cozy corners to just hang out. A rock club by and for the people - we're a bunch of dorky music fans after all.

As for my resume, sheee-it... :)

I've been supporting Seattle music since 1985 in one way or another, worked at a few record labels and ran a fairly successful artist publicity/management company for about 10 years. I worked with bands like The Fastbacks, Zeke, Supersuckers, New Bomb Turks, 7 Seconds, Royal Trux, Chixdiggit, Radiohead, Supergrass, Lunachicks, Presidents of the USA, and a ton of others. So yeah, I know a thing or two about a thing or two, and I suppose we'll see if that translates into successful venue booker. Sure, I'm going to fuck up...probably quite a bit. But if you guys can be forgiving when that happens, I promise I'll be working real hard, along with Jason, Che, Jamie, Dawn, and the rest of the gang, to make King Cobra a good neighbor in the Pike Street Corridor, to book shows that people like, and to hopefully add to making that neighborhood a destination for music fans of all types.

Email me anytime - jenbendel@yahoo.com.

Jenny xo

PS - And fuck yeah I book the Rain City Shwillers.

Posted by Jenny B | January 22, 2008 6:19 PM
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22: Not true. I put pressure on myself because I want to keep succeeding and getting better, and I owe it to the bar to make it worth their time. Since we don't charge any cover whatsoever, it's not like we're getting rich or raking it in hand over fist. I've been given a fantastic opportunity and it's been successful (thanks to the bands, their friends and fans) but there's always room for improvement. The better we do, the longer we can stick around; the longer we stick around, that's one more place that acts can play. I know we're not even close to the former Croc's field of play, but I noticed a significant spike in local groups asking for shows once that place shut its doors. Same as when the Lobo went bye-bye last summer.

Posted by Jason Josephes | January 22, 2008 6:27 PM
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Do you really see this new club as direct competition to Neumo's? Just sayin', the kind of people that regularly attend shows at the Sunset and hung out at Kincorra's weren't exactly the bearded indie rocker crowd of Neumos. I go out to live shows constantly and I think I've only seen 2 or 3 shows there since it re-opened, their shows are just too mellow for me. I think King Cobra will, like The Comet does, draw a crowd that likes their music less tame. Let's face it, Capitol Hill doesn't have a lot of rock'n'roll and punk shows these days. Most fans of this type of music are spending their money and time at Funhouse, the Sunset, the High Dive, etc. Bring it back to the Hill and we will start coming there again for live music. And we drink a lot more than indie rockers.

Major props for the person who used the term guyliner for El Corazon, that cracks me the fuck up!

Posted by dan10things | January 22, 2008 6:56 PM
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grandy, you are a douche. as far as the merit of your support and prediction as to the livelihood of a venue i need only to look at the amazing work you did for atlas clothing shows. now beat your face.

Posted by hate city | January 22, 2008 7:27 PM
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Jenny - rocks. (Jason too)

Grandy - his relevance is proven by the number of responses to this post.

Hate City - hahahahahahahahaha

Super glad there's a new live music venue on the hill. And more rock is pure goodness. Please be sure to have cheap whiskey. Now everyone - go support live music, wherever it is. Fuck.

Posted by Meinert | January 22, 2008 8:07 PM
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Once again DJ Without A Fucking Clue is doing his best to fuck up the club scene. First the Atlas thing, now this? Dude - are you on Greg Nichols' payroll or something? Did someone promise you a Capitol Hill condo if you run enough clubs down?

Eric, when you run down a club - particularly one that HASN'T EVEN OPENED UP IT'S DOORS YET, you are doing a grave disservice to the scene as a whole. What could possibly be your motivation to imply that King Cobra is doomed before it even opens?


There are a whooooole lotta bands The Stranger, Seattle Weekly, both dailies, Three Imaginary Girls, and a host of others flat out ignore that consistently draw well despite their lack of press or respect.

I can think of a dozen or more quality bands off the top of my head that consistently draw well in this city without benefit of press from any of the above sources. While The Stranger and their ilk are busy chasing the next flavor of the week, lots of us are having a friggin' blast rocking the night away to bands you don't even know exist. And yes, other lesser known publications like Disheveled, Underground, The Sinner, as well as the lovely and talented Ms. Bendel all have been infinitely more supportive of these acts than The Stranger ever could dream of.

As to King Cobra's proximity to Neumo's, Chop Suey, and El Corazon, I'd say that's a big non-issue. Chop Suey and Neumo's rarely if ever book the types of bands often championed by Rothman and Bendel, and El Corazon isn't a place most Capitol Hillbillies would walk to.

So please keep all of this in mind before opening your negative fucking pie hole in the future!

Posted by Rocky Bukkake | January 22, 2008 8:22 PM
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can't wait for the next music editor to be hired already.

Posted by xina | January 22, 2008 8:27 PM
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Rocky,

You need to go easy on the 100 proof cocksucker-ness.

Maybe just try being 80 proof cocksucker.

Posted by Clanker on the Hill | January 22, 2008 8:33 PM
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Rocky,

I change that. I didn't mean cocksucker. I just meant to say you sound like an asshole.

I'll support that club. I also support the Stranger and read the hell out it every week.

I'm only 60 proof asshole.

Posted by Clanker on the Hill | January 22, 2008 8:40 PM
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The simple fact that a new club on Capitol Hill will have a bathroom that does NOT smell like ammonia from chronically overflowing toilets (during shows) is reason enough to go to KC. Why bother spending thousands on Moe's when it's sharing the same bathrooms that have seen every aging rock ass since 1995 ( I think AroSpace merely changed the mirrors, not the seats ). ick

Posted by peeeewwww | January 22, 2008 8:52 PM
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Clanker: Exactly what qualifies me as an asshole? The fact that I dislike someone picking on the new kid on the block, or my support of bands unheralded by the local press? Please clarify.

Posted by Rocky Bukkake | January 22, 2008 9:03 PM
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Rocky my friend,

"Once again DJ Without A Fucking Clue is doing his best to fuck up the club scene. First the Atlas thing, now this? Dude - are you on Greg Nichols' payroll or something? Did someone promise you a Capitol Hill condo if you run enough clubs down?"

That to me qualifies you as an asshole.

You also qualify as an asshole because out of your negative pie hole you tell other people to keep things in mind before opening their negative pie hole.

Posted by Clanker on the Hill | January 22, 2008 9:10 PM
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Remember when people were predicting that the indoor smoking ban was going to kill Seattle nightlife? How naive. It's clear now that the real threat to our nocturnal fun is Eric Grandy.

Posted by dark&long | January 22, 2008 9:18 PM
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Wow, I am impressed! Seattleites are enthusiastic about live music, the arts, and theater! I'm still waiting for The Stranger staff to hold an art show, live music event, or theater production so that we can all go and criticize the event... I mean, I really do think that it would be a very productive thing to do. The Stranger could do a whole issue where The readers, musicians, artists and theater buffs could voice their opinions on the productions that they (Stranger staffers) would themselves present... Come on, give it a try for once instead of writing about what other people are DOING!!! I'd bet anything that it would be one of the most controversial and read issues of the Stranger ever if you chose to do that! All in good sport!

Posted by Rick KLU | January 22, 2008 10:34 PM
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what a bunch of thin-skinned bitches you all are! don't speculate on things because if you do you're a HATER--what a bunch of babies. don't call anything into question because then you're not SUPPORTING THE SCENE, and don't forget to mention Atlas, who lit their own match on their own foot, but you know, no one is allowed to mention that because it's easier to blame a journalist than a business owner for the latter's infelicities. good job, sheep!

Posted by um | January 22, 2008 11:14 PM
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I love seeing rock, punk and metal shows and I'm just looking forward to another rocking venue to open. The more live show options I have the better. Hell I even by that fucktard Eric Grandy a beer when King Cobra opens.

Posted by Superferret | January 22, 2008 11:36 PM
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Just to repost and clarify...

"Once again DJ Without A Fucking Clue is doing his best to fuck up the club scene. First the Atlas thing, now this? Dude - are you on Greg Nichols' payroll or something? Did someone promise you a Capitol Hill condo if you run enough clubs down?"

In that sarcastic paragraph, if I sound negative it's because I'm sick and tired of this guy (as well as neighborhood Johnny come latelys and the local authorities) unfairly targeting clubs for one thing or another. Grandy's dime drop on Atlas effectively killed their all ages shows. Now he's questioning King Cobra's future before they even open. WTF? Regardless of any one writer's actual efficacy in affecting the outcomes in such matters, why even drop such unwarranted negative speculation?

In this case, Mr Grandy is insinuating that King Cobra is destined to fail due to his perceived inexperience of the bookers. I personally don't feel it negative to point out when someone who has apparently negatively affected a venue's survival in the past with their poison pen seems to be attempting to do it again.

OK - maybe the play on the guy's DJ name was a little harsh. Hey - the truth hurts. But compared to the unprovoked attack on two local music industry folks, one of which admittedly happens to be a friend of mine, let's be realistic. I'm merely trying to point out that Grandy (and The Stranger in general) have a ridiculously narrow vision of what constitutes the "Seattle scene." If my reaction to Grandy's implication that two people he's not familiar with couldn't possibly be successful seems negative, it's only because I find such an implication unfair and uninformed.

The references to Nickels and condos should make sense to anyone who has been following the news regarding local nightlife. As someone who plays as well as patronizes local nightspots, I've seen the effects of these unfair attacks first hand.

Look - I'm not trying to get into some sort of flame war here. I just feel that this guy is taking potshots at people who have done nothing to deserve it. As The Stranger is arguably the go-to source for music related news for many in the city, it reeks of pettiness hurled from a bully pulpit (hence the "picking on the new kid" remark in my second post). Someone has to respond to this shit, and I did.

I've been supporting (as well as providing) music and nightlife in this city since before Grandy had pubes. So I don't think I'm being an asshole for pointing out what I feel is an unfair missive from someone who apparently doesn't have a clue about what truly makes the local scene thrive.

In my opinion, these folks should be celebrated for opening a new night spot on The Hill, not slammed. As to me opening my pie hole, what I most certainly did keep in mind was Grandy's questioning Rothman's and Bendel's abilities based on his limited knowledge of their pasts. How could Grandy not expect people to respond angrily to such a post? Seriously - he had to know he was opening himself up to harsh criticism. I am more than happy to oblige.

So sorry if you think I'm a 100 proof asshole. You know, maybe you're right. Maybe I am an asshole, if you define "asshole" as someone who speaks their mind and isn't afraid of offending those that offend them.

I guess I just wish Grandy and his cohorts at The Stranger spent a little more time seeking out more local music in more diverse styles and less time speculating on unopened clubs' potential.

In closing, I would just like to add that I read as many of the local arts related rags as I can get my hands on, even though I feel they are almost all sorely lacking in their music coverage. I wish someone would either resurrect The Rocket, or start up a reasonable facsimile. As that is apparently not happening any time soon, I guess I'll just have to keep getting turned on to new music the old fashioned way - by checking out live bands whenever possible.

Posted by Rocky Bukkake | January 22, 2008 11:42 PM
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I think the deal is The Stranger's world of expertise really is just Capitol Hill, it's where the staff works and plays. When they cover people and places off the Hill, especially when it comes to Seattle's music scene, they often seem clueless. You can see it in articles about other clubs, when they are talking about people like Jenny and Kwab or Brian Foss, or when they are talking about other neighborhoods. Ballard and Georgetown are practically other countries to people that live on Capitol Hill, rather than destinations they hit all the time for shows and drinking like for many of us.

With someone like Eric Grandy, he's green, he hasn't been around in the music scene for very long and has a pretty limited view of things, that's obvious in his writing. I don't think the dude is trying to be a dick, he just doesn't often know what he's talking about, yet talks about it anyway, relying on what other people have said in blogs and press releases, rather than experience and knowledge. Maybe the problem is the need to be first to report "news," without having much knowledge on the subject, coupled with an unwillingness to pick up the phone (the inability to admit mistakes would be another problem). I think that's what a lot of blogging is these days anyway, rather than original content, just repeating what's already been written with a little editorial thrown in. Personally, that's my fear as news moves from print to the Web. Web writers are total slackers and won't do the hard research, and the news companies won't hire as many real reporters, writers and editors as they did when they were in print. Unfortunately, sloppy poorly written Web news and blogs is a sign of the times, baby, so you better get used to it.

Posted by dan10things | January 23, 2008 9:50 AM
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Thanks for reminding me of why I ignore the Stranger! (Kudos to Rich for pointing me here.) You're like the Stranger's equivalent of the Sinner's Guitar Doug aren't you? You need to work on your attempts at sensationalism, young mare.

Elektra Luxx

Posted by Elektra Luxx | January 23, 2008 10:13 AM
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Hey Eric - have you any familiarity with Jenny's background in the music industry? Do you have any fucking clue how large her rolodex is? She's been around a long time, and as supportive as she is of all the bands she works with she leaves no enemies in her wake.

Your question would have come off more sincere had you followed the slightest bit of due diligence as a reporter and done a little research.

I'm so tired of this snarky attitude I'd be happy to have a conversation toe to toe with you.

Posted by Knuck | January 23, 2008 10:20 AM
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wait until you see what i have in store for you all once the website launches. No more waiting 7 minutes for the goddamn stranger slog page to load 10,000 shit youtube videos...

Posted by bobcat | January 23, 2008 12:13 PM
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"Fresh question" more like a "loaded question." What you put in parens already lets the reader know how you really feel - why even frame it in the form of a question?


I get the feeling 90 percent of you Strangerites, especially Josh Feet and ECB, write in the spirit of "I can do it better." What j-school teaches that kind of writing? It's a sneering, condescending attitude that only makes you guys look even more ridiculous. You have my pity.


Posted by Peep Durple | January 23, 2008 3:04 PM
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ERIC GRANDY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ROCK N ROLL

Posted by Nils | January 23, 2008 3:36 PM
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Seattle is full of Cocks and Cunts. Club owners/buyers/sellers/bookers and half-assed music editors included. NOW CAN WE PLEASE FUCKING MOVE THE MOTHER FUCK ON?!?!?!

Posted by overit | January 23, 2008 3:55 PM
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Eric hasn't responded to any of these insightful comments. I think you guys scared him.
YAY! New club to play! I hear KC has it's own smoke machine. Numoes needs to take note.

Posted by dita | January 23, 2008 4:48 PM
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That does make me sad to find out that Grady has only had two years experience writing and has already been made the music editor. I thought the Stranger was supposed to be based on music? Wouldn't you want someone who is experienced? OH, and I remember the backlash and the anger from the Atlas stage being shut down. That completely made me question the whole rag.

What's wrong with you? Honestly?

I've written for so many publications around town and I have friends that have been doing this for years and who book shows, know bands, know Seattle inside and out and you get some prepubescent punk who hasn't even cut his teeth yet, that's pretty sad.

But, hell I guess that's alternative?

Why are the editors running away? I guess if you want good music coverage and you want to see local coverage there's always Hannah Levins & Aja. I guess the Weekly is where writers go to grow up and mature their craft? Not bully the scene into submission.

Posted by Lilbit Annoyed | January 24, 2008 9:52 AM
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maybe the emphasis of grandy's question should switch to the second half of the equation. i think it's fair to ask if seattle needs another 500 capacity club, especially within such close proximity to neumos, chop suey, and el corazon. i'm not posting this to talk down the king cobra folks, but i really feel seattle could do with an intermediate size club with a capacity of 200-300. at this point, new local bands can play the comet, sunset, and funhouse, but the leap to the next size of venues is pretty daunting. even for out of town bands, the options for playing seattle are either playing a 150 cap room or hoping to get on a bigger band's show. i wish the best for the king cobra folks and i'm excited to check the place out, but i am a little curious about how they will compete in a niche that seems pretty well covered.

Posted by bubbles | January 24, 2008 9:55 AM
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Disheveled was a great resource in the music community. Jason was the man responsible for that he found bands before the Stranger even knew they existed and bands remember that. You always remember your first write up. Not to mention he's one of the nicest guys I know.

I have full faith that he'll do a great and wonderful job and working with Jenny, there isn't a team like that anywhere in Seattle and there isn't a place like this. I for one am incredibly excited and I pity anyone who isn't rooting for this, because they'll be left on the back burner when we're all rocking out on Jason & Jenny's efforts!

Posted by Seaman Out. | January 24, 2008 10:57 AM
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I can tell exactly who listens to exactly what music (and who goes to which shoes) by which side they take. You can also tell who plays in a band and who's merely a spectator. Isn't that kind of sad? There's a lot of sub-issues and hidden arguments in this debate, but why can't we all just be happy that there's another place to see music, and another place to PLAY music... and if it doesn't work out, it won't be the first time. But if it does work out... it could be the start of something big.

Posted by Carady | January 24, 2008 12:20 PM
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Hey Carady, what shoes do you go to? heh heh

Posted by Knuck | January 24, 2008 12:48 PM
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Posted by bobcat | January 24, 2008 3:01 PM
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Ouch. Any way you slice it, that's a crappy, mean-spirited comment from someone who appears to have a history of crappy, mean-spirited comments.
You have a responsibility not to openly shit-talk the folks in the music scene around you, wheteher you like it or not, Eric. You are a music editor for a major alternative publication. You gotta try and act like it, man.

Posted by Ross | January 26, 2008 7:07 PM

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