Line Out - Comments on The A.V. Club Lists 20 Artists that Jumped the Shark http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped Their top five artists/albums on "Too much, too soon: 20 respectable rock and rap acts that peaked with debut albums": 1. Rage Against The Machine, Rage Against The Machine (1992) 2. 50 Cent, Get Rich Or Die Tryin' (2003) 3.... Copyright 2008 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:17 -0800 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:59:20 -0800 http://www.movabletype.org/?v=3.34 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Comment by Eric Grandy Has anybody even seen that episode of Happy Days? Can't we find some cultural reference to mean the same thing that isn't from like the Civil War era?

]]> Eric Grandy http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c998871 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c998871 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:50:19 -0800 Comment by cosby i don't think i agree with some of these picks. the modern lovers? of course you've peaked artistically if you only release one album.

]]> cosby http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c998904 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c998904 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:13:47 -0800 Comment by Jason Josephes Eric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72nPf4UaemU

Winkler also did it in an episode of Arrested Development (sort of).

]]> Jason Josephes http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c998999 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c998999 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:58:26 -0800 Comment by wikiwiki I don't think the term works for this:

The term jumping the shark alludes to a specific scene in a 1977 episode of the TV series Happy Days when the popular character Arthur "Fonzie" Fonzarelli literally jumps over a shark while water skiing. The scene was so preposterous that many believed it to be an ill-conceived attempt at reviving the declining ratings of the flagging show. The phrase has become a colloquialism used by U.S. TV critics and fans to denote the point at which the characters or plot of a TV series veer into a ridiculous, out-of-the-ordinary storyline. Such a show is typically deemed to have passed its peak. Once a show has "jumped the shark" fans sense a noticeable decline in quality or feel the show has undergone too many changes to retain its original appeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

]]> wikiwiki http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999044 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999044 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:25:10 -0800 Comment by Aaron Edge — Add Quicksand, Far and Helmet to the list.

]]> Aaron Edge http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999126 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999126 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:29:01 -0800 Comment by ndrwmtsn nas, yes

kanye, no

but it's a singles game now anywayz

]]> ndrwmtsn http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999134 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999134 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:31:12 -0800 Comment by Dougsf Agree with #4 - "Jumped the Shark" doesn't apply to most of this. There's also a strong argument to be made for 95% of all hip-hop artist that make great debuts never following up.

As for that Modern Lovers debut, that's a special category of album that was shelved so long before it's release (I think 3 or 4 years passed from recording to release), they weren't even playing that style of music by the time they were called on to promote it, so, like the Sidewinders brilliant 1972 debut (but rarely heard until Andy Paley was on to other things), will live as an unfortunate footnote in history.

]]> Dougsf http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999151 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999151 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:38:13 -0800 Comment by Dougsf ...and Sunny Day Real Estate? That's kinda a bizarre inclusion. I don't think anyone is crazy for liking them, but they weren't Too Much, Too Soon. IMO, they were good also-rans, making a style of music close to the tail end of its shelf-life.

]]> Dougsf http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999178 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999178 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:55:27 -0800 Comment by Mike of Renton Maybe it's just me, but I would've included Pearl Jam.

]]> Mike of Renton http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999189 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999189 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:12:34 -0800 Comment by mike not of Renton Weezer, anyone?

Contrary to popular opinion, I believe the Blue Album is better than Pinkerton.

However, if you wanna argue that they're not respectable anymore, I can't really argue with that.

Still, I think they'd be a good addition.

]]> mike not of Renton http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999410 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999410 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:50:16 -0800 Comment by rk It really is too bad, but Television truly does belong in this list. As a dumbass midwestern kid, I bought Marquee Moon in '77 mostly due to the eerie cover photo and was completely floored by a sound that wasn't like anything else I was listening to at the time. It wasn't rock, it wasn't jazz, it wasn't punk - what the hell was it? Those unique guitar riffs and Verlaine's tortured vocals created a surreal dark musical world that I wasn't sure what to make of at first but had to keep coming back to again and again. And none of my friends got it at all.

]]> rk http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999431 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999431 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:43:07 -0800 Comment by bunnypuncher Black Flag? Give me a fucking break! Anyone who thinks the early stuff is better than My War can get lost.

]]> bunnypuncher http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999440 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999440 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:08:38 -0800 Comment by MK @9 Then you sir, are a moron.

]]> MK http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999456 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c999456 Album Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:01:28 -0800 Comment by Josh Aaron, which Far album are you considering their first?

]]> Josh http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c1000437 http://lineout.thestranger.com/2008/04/the_av_club_lists_20_artists_that_jumped#c1000437 Album Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:59:20 -0800