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Monday, October 6, 2008

Also Tonight: Free (Nazi?) Black Metal @ King Cobra

posted by on October 6 at 9:45 AM

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Monday, October 6th at KING COBRA

Nachtmystium
Grey
Black Breath

Doors are at 8PM
Show starts at 9PM

This show is falling on one of our normal Up The Punks nights so aside from the no cover there is also Happy Hour prices all night.

Nachtmystium, you may recall, kinda sorta actually totally released a record via a Nazi-affiliated record label. AWKWARD! Wikipedia:

Nachtmystium’s first album, Reign of the Malicious, was released on Unholy Records, a National Socialist black metal label.[19] In 2006, Judd said that, “In the past, we’ve had some indirect ties to labels and bands that are part of the NS scene. At one point not too many years ago, it wasn’t uncommon for NS labels or bands to trade and work with non-politically motivated bands and labels because at the end of the day, we’re all trying to promote, release, and be involved with music—all politics aside. Today it seems like there’s less of a connection, at least for me and my label. We don’t oppose people’s right to be ‘NS’ or whatever—that’s a personal choice, and if you live in the USA, you have the right to that opinion. Even though I personally, my band(s) and my label have absolutely no interest in being a part of that scene, I will ALWAYS take their side when it comes to their freedom of speech being imposed upon.”

In the pro-Nachtmystium corner, Mountain Goat John Darnielle, and music writer Tom Breihan:

There’s nothing particularly scary about Blake Judd. If anything, he looks a little ridiculous: a tall, blonde-haired, vaguely heavy dude with a thick California accent, stuffed into too-tight black clothes with a bit of white makeup splashed onto his face.

In the anti-Nachtmystium corner, Jessica Hopper:

Seeing that black metal locals Nachtmystium are nuzzled in hipster embrace these days, I’m left wondering if homophobia and anti-semitism is just accepted now? Was there a memo on this I missed? Or is the heinousness of throwing “faggot” and talk of Zionist conspiracy around in interviews blunted by the wider context— i.e. the scores of NSBM-aligning bands who are essentially Nazis in crypt-face? Like Nachtmystium can’t be that bad because they are down with Isis and not putting swastikas on their clothes? Or is that no one has bothered to do their homework (you don’t have to dig farther than the second google hit for “Nachtmystium+interview” ) before putting these assholes on blast?

Happy Monday, everybody!

Bonus: Olympia’s green anarchist black metal band Wolves in the Throne Room are currently touring with Nachtmystium (though they’re playing without them at Vera tonight); WITTR denounce Nazi ideology thusly:

Let me be totally 100% clear: We find nothing good or worthwhile in NS ideology. We have never said anything positive about any right wing idea…

If I say that the Nazis used some powerful ideas, I refer to these good things that have been stolen by the Right. These ideas have nothing to do with fascism, but have become unfairly associated with it. We support things such as radical environmentalism, heathen spirituality and, in regard to black metal, a certain esoteric ancient spirit. We want these good things to be a part of our progressive life-vision.

For instance, I feel that I am spiritually connected to a European heathen tradition and a certain way of life because of my heritage. This natural and good idea has been stolen by the Right Wing and has become, in Europe, connected to racism and xenophobia. With our music, we reconcile this idea with our progressive, anti-racist, anti-fascist ideology.

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hmmm. didn't Joy Division, New Order, Death in June, and Laibach all rely on appropriating fascist imagery and concepts? i'd say hipsters have always been okay with a little National Socialism in their music diet. not that there is anything okay with that...

Posted by brian cook | October 6, 2008 12:23 PM
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it's hardly a trait exclusive to black metal bands. remember the extreme defensiveness/denial of the Sasha Frere-Jones "indie music is too white" controversy. People attacked him for dare THINKING that indie music is too white, even though it is more homogenous any almost other genre of music popular today. Same thing when people try and mention sexist and homophobic undercurrents in the admittedly broad indie music scene. Just because the music has a certain indie sensibility does not mean the politics are good.
To be fair, I have met some awesome metal bands, black and otherwise, who are as liberal and forward-thinking as one can get.

Posted by malaprop | October 6, 2008 12:51 PM
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rad! once again Eric is writing out his ass!

Posted by bobcat | October 6, 2008 1:47 PM
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Holy fucking shit. This is exactly the kind of thing that scares the ever living shit out of me.

This and those 'Saw' movies. And the Hamburgler.

Posted by trent moorman | October 6, 2008 2:41 PM
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Serious? Sure you are not on any drugs at the moment? Got a huge news flash for you. Associating yourself with someone does not mean you share their beliefs. So all your friends are pseudo-liberal yuppies that talk about others yet know little, claiming to be enlightened when they really have no idea what they are talking about? As Blake says, people have the right to an opinion, and he supports that right. Not supporting someones right to say how they feel is called facism. I guess that would make you a facist though. This is typical Stranger crap, speaking much about things you know so little. Stick to your indie flavor of the month nonsense and weak minded beliefs in whatever is in. Facists against facism, all you are.

Posted by Lugh | October 6, 2008 3:41 PM
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I hate facists so much. Trying to say the face is more important than the belly, or the arm, or the ass. Facists must be stopped!

Posted by Levislade | October 6, 2008 3:43 PM
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no what must be stopped is the spread of ignorance. All you hipsters need to stop jumping on every bandwagon (i.e. this sudden love of Black Metal) and find your own thing, but you are all too cowardly to do so.

And I would love to see one of these so called homophobic and pro nazi interviews with Black that exist.

Posted by Lugh | October 6, 2008 3:53 PM
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Lugh, I loved Black Metal before you ever thought you were evil. Don't let me ever hear you call Black Metal a bandwagon again. It's dudes like you that get on these blogs and spout your tough act that make all us real metal fans look bad.

Arguing using the word hipster is more hipster than the hipsters.

Maybe you'll be metal one day.

Posted by The Hamburgler | October 6, 2008 4:03 PM
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I asked Jeeves to Google it:

http://www.metalreviews.com/interviews/interviews.php?id=61

Fuck off to all you jealous little faggot message board fucks and backstabbing cocksuckers in the chicago area (you know who you are)
...something not found in 99% of TV-fed 'bands' through MTV and other Zionist means of demoralizing young American's artistic standards.

Charming!

Posted by Eric Grandy | October 6, 2008 4:13 PM
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nice detective work, eric.

judging from those f-bombs, those dudes would get along nicely with Josh Homme. but i think that whole second quote is just their way of saying they don't like Monotonix.

Posted by brian cook | October 6, 2008 4:48 PM
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plus he digs Tori Amos!

Posted by Kevin Erickson | October 6, 2008 4:55 PM
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Is anyone here interested AT ALL in what Grandy thinks about any sort of metal, hardcore, or punk bands?

Didn't think so.

Carry on.

Posted by bunnypuncher | October 6, 2008 7:04 PM
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Wow mr Fucking in the streets sounds like he's talking about indy rock pussies like yourself.

stick to your rave shit, douche

Posted by bobcat | October 6, 2008 8:15 PM
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What is Eric's problem with that fucking club?! It's time to start writing about some of the good shit they have going on.

Posted by get_over_it | October 7, 2008 2:12 AM
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Yes, anyone who uses the word fag is a homophobe. Wait, gays use that word all the time, so gays must be homophobes! Nice logic buddy.

hamburgler, first off the shit I just took is more important to me if you are more "metal" than me or not. Thats not what I am discussing, and if you had the intelligence as say, a modern ape at least, you would realize that. What I do know is the Stranger in general knows absolute shit about metal, and the people who are actually involved in the scene thinks this whole rag is just a joke. So congrats on your little ego trip, Id rather not be metal if it means being an insipid fool such as yourself. Have a nice day.

Maybe some of you should actually try talking to Jews, many will even admit they more than have their hand in the media. Remarking on how Zionists have a say in the images and thoughts portrayed to us does not make one an anti-Semite. It simply makes one aware.

Now whats wrong with Tori Amos?

Posted by Lugh | October 7, 2008 4:38 PM
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Great show, glad to see it packed and mostly free. I'm sure you Stranger hacks were there cowering in the corner with your pepper spray waiting for some Seig Heils or something, but then again who am I kidding.

Maybe next time Motorhead plays at the Showbox you can use the words "Nazi" and "Showbox" next to each other and see how quickly you'll get your ass handed to you.

Posted by bobcat | October 7, 2008 5:10 PM
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@16
jesus, get over it. the stranger called out Neumo's when they booked Buju Banton. they called out the Fenix when they booked Blood Axis. people have a right to know what the artists are all about and they can make their decisions accordingly. eric presented both sides of the argument and backed it up with documentation.

that said, i'm pretty bummed to see some of the shit Judd from Nachtmystium said in print. it's not quite as incriminating as some of the full-blown NSBM stuff out there, but it's still pretty sketchy. haven't ever listened to that band specifically, but i quite liked his work with Twilight...

Posted by brian cook | October 7, 2008 5:38 PM
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Seriously...SERIOUSLY, who gives a good goddamn what Judd thinks? it's his personnal opinion and he has a goddamn right to it. I really don't like the guy either cuz he's a hack who is definatly a BM bandwagon jumper, but dammit he's and any of you hipster fucks are allowed to say what you want. Your all a bunch a Nazi's for trying to stop 'that fascism' in the first place. There are absolutely no limits in rock and roll. Political and otherwise. Quite being a bunch of fucking cry-babies and get the fuck over yourselves. You all focus on mindless bullshit. And yes, The Stranger is pretty much considered a fag-rag among the metal crowd.

Posted by A-Lex DiAmicis | October 7, 2008 6:17 PM
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huh, apparently sharing information qualifies as fascism now.

actually, if you look at the history of fascist regimes in europe in the 1930s, it propagated in rural areas and focused on attacking the intelligentsia. kinda like the modern day equivalent of a redneck bashing a "fag rag."

Posted by brian cook | October 7, 2008 9:00 PM
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Regardless of my opinion or anyone else's, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has the right to their opinion's, just as much as you have the right to ignore it, which you choose not to exercise. You can voice your opinion about NS, homophobia, sexism, racism, ect all you want, I won't try to stop you, but it doesn't make what you say right, either. I don't agree with NS at all in the least bit, but I'm going to say it needs to be stopped. Liberals are just as bad as conservatives. your all fucking full of shit with your heads up your asses.

Posted by A-Lex DiAmicis | October 7, 2008 11:33 PM
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*edit*

Regardless of my opinion or anyone else's, everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has the right to their opinion's, just as much as you have the right to ignore it, which you choose not to exercise. You can voice your opinion about NS, homophobia, sexism, racism, ect all you want, I won't try to stop you, but it doesn't make what you say right, either. I don't agree with NS at all in the least bit, but I'm NOT going to say it needs to be stopped. Liberals are just as bad as conservatives. your all fucking full of shit with your heads up your asses.

Posted by A-Lex DiAmicis | October 7, 2008 11:35 PM
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Brian -

You should give the new Nachtmystium album, Assassins: Black Meddle Part 1, a shot. They've started mixing in a lot of psychedelic influences in with their BM, and I think it's one of the better metal albums of the year, haters be damned.

Posted by bunnypuncher | October 8, 2008 3:02 AM
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@22 -
yeah, i've actually been kinda curious about them as they've been getting consistently awesome reviews and, as i said before, i DO kinda like the Twilight stuff that Judd worked on. i find all this news on this thread pretty astounding considering that they've been openly embraced by so much of the notoriously fickle and politically-minded art-metal community, particularly in Chicago. everyone is entitled to a misstep every now and then, but that whole Zionist comment is pretty troublesome. but then again, i've kept all my Knut Hamsen and T.S. Elliot books despite their dubious affiliations. maybe i can track down a used copy of their album somewhere...

one thing is certain: the Nachtmystium burger at Kuma's Corner is fucking delicious.

Posted by brian cook | October 8, 2008 10:24 AM
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So what if he pointed out the Zionists? I don't like them either.

Posted by A-Lex DiAmicis | October 8, 2008 5:08 PM
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Dear Brian,

Eric has no idea what he's talking about, and neither do you by your blatent "yessir" knee-jerk response to his pathetic 2 minute google search. Nationalist Front bands hate them, you should know that since you are both big grown up music editors.... Or a sack of moldy assholes. I would suggest the latter after reading all your self-masturbatory replies to your lame wordpress blog responses.

You work for a magazine, this is not your like wordpress 'check out my gayraddouchebag-ness' blog. When you put the words 'NAZI' and 'a venue' you better have some substance to follow that up or get ready for some repercussions.

Oh Brain - get back on sucking The Swords poseur riffs. I'm sure you bang your head to Tool as well.

Posted by bobcat | October 8, 2008 10:53 PM
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hmmm....

YOU connect the dots.

lets see -

a band that some people like had an early album out on a WP label & has said some questionalble anti-semetic remarks to the press, but claim to be non-political.

so 2 year ago in 2006 the Nachtmystium album Reign of the Malicious released on Unholy Records.
here's their web site -
http://www.unholyrecords.com/

clicking on "activism" leads you to this quote -

EDUCATE YOURSELF

The most important part of pro-White activism begins with education. Reading books is one way to become informed on our past, present, and future racial situation. It is understood that America's schools and universities censor or omit facts in their textbooks that would undermine their goal for a Jewish-controlled one-world government, otherwise referred to as the "New World Order." Their goal is to destroy all races, nations, and cultures, so that the people of the Earth are easier to control.

National Vanguard Books has a huge selection of the best books available on information that has been supressed or omitted by the mainstream Politically Correct system. The more facts you acquire, the easier it is to win debates and convince other Whites that it is in their best interest to help secure a future for our race.
LEADERS ARE READERS!

Posted by brianmyfatass | October 9, 2008 1:04 AM
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oh yeah, the album is still on sale -

http://resistance.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1163&osCsid=a0e98c37a1648940e7067687070c3864

one other thing -

fuck white power & fuck fence walkers.

brian
the funhouse

Posted by brianmyfatass | October 9, 2008 1:09 AM
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"So what if he pointed out the Zionists? I don't like them either."

err...

what do you mean?
i have issues with some of the choices Israel makes, but i support the right of Israel to exist.

my dictionary says this -

American Heritage Dictionary -
Zi·on·ism
n. A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

Posted by brianmyfatass | October 9, 2008 1:23 AM
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Nachtmystium are boring. questionable politics aside, they are even less interesting than old Book of Black Earth stuff, if that were even possible. it's great they played a free show, so idiots can't be held responsible for supporting them financially.

and I own records by far more outspokenly right wing bands like Burzum and Death in June, but I would never acquire them through a medium that allows them to profit on it (buying used, burning CDs instead). whatever. I'm almost 30, like you Eric, as well as the patron Saint Jessica Hopper, and am going to stop letting shit artists do or believe in interfere with my enjoying art. you watch movies made by Polanski, read poems by Pound and get over things that distract you from the Big Picture.

this thread isn't news. it's a failure to communicate.

Posted by Lee | October 9, 2008 1:27 AM
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"They've started mixing in a lot of psychedelic influences in with their BM.."

When did we start calling it BM? I think that one is taken..

Posted by Jedd! | October 9, 2008 1:32 AM
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reading my comments i see i spelled some words wrong & what not.

but i do want folks to know -

feel free to believe what you want.
it's america, if you want to believe some stupid crap, i don't care.

i just hate how so many white power & jew hating assholes HIDE their beliefs.

hey fucker - if you are part of the chosen race stop being a pussy and stand up for yer fucked up beliefs.

me, i'm at the the funhouse 5-7 days a week. 206 5th ave n, seattle wa.

i ain't saying i want to HEAR yer crap, but i'm not going hide either.

Posted by brianmyfatass | October 9, 2008 1:32 AM
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also, did anyone ever ask Metal's opinion on any of this? since when does Metal care if moronic homophobic and sexist speech goes on within it's realm? just because metal is increasingly popular, doesn't mean it suddenly starts subscribing to the indie rock/punk ethics code. most metalheads didn't spend the 90's reading Heartattack or Chunklet or whatever personal zine that one girl over there at the show wrote about rape culture. Metal was drinking beer in the parking lot at the time.

my friend told me about some acquaintences from Portland who are in a metal band down there that is totally right on politically, who came up for the Carcass show. he basically said that while the singer of Suffocation went on some idiotic rants about killing his wife, the PDX kids looked shocked, but hey... that's where Metal has been. it's not anyone's job to apologise and it's not gonna clean itself up overnight just because of new found interests.

Posted by Lee | October 9, 2008 1:38 AM
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@25 - well, you got the gay part right. congratulations.

now for where you're wrong:

i am not an employee of The Stranger, just a freelance writer, but you're lashing definitely makes me feel like part of the Stranger club.

i've never listened to, or even heard, The Sword. try again.

a 2-minute google search to pull up incriminating evidence on someone might not qualify as "great detective work," but if it only takes 2 minutes to tie someone to a racist comment, just imagine what a real investigation would dredge up.

i definitely can't claim to be a reigning authority on black metal, but don't most "kvlt" black metal dudes denounce just about everyone? Count Grishnackh thought Euronymous was a poser. Malefic denounced his work with SunnO))) because Greg and Steve weren't evil enough. people think Gaahl is a poser even though he lives in a cabin in rural Norway and has gone to prison for torture. and there are folks who will staunchly argue that everything following the second wave of black metal out of Scandanavia is fake. so yeah, no shit Nachtmystium isn't down with the purists or the NSBM scene. the big question is whether or not they're bigots.

bobcat, i know you staunchly defend King Cobra, and that's respectable. i have zero issues with the club. but when questionable artists play in town, there should be some degree of discussion about it beyond "you're a fucking fag for saying something bad about my friend's venue." no one called for a boycott. no one tried to get the show shut down. again... get over it.


Posted by brian cook | October 9, 2008 10:14 AM
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"what do you mean?
i have issues with some of the choices Israel makes, but i support the right of Israel to exist.

my dictionary says this -

American Heritage Dictionary -
Zi·on·ism
n. A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel."

Exactly. Zionists took a good-hearted thing and turned it into a way to rule the world.

Posted by A-Lex DiAmicis | October 9, 2008 2:22 PM
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Whoa hold up.
Hot Topic is having a sale on white belts.

Posted by Superferret | October 9, 2008 4:02 PM

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