Thursday, June 25, 2009

A/D Converters: Mini-Me, Dither, Ram Bits

Posted by Trent Moorman on Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 1:09 PM

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London Bridge Studio is a mecca. It is a bastion of gear head fantasy with its vintage Neve 8048 console and drum room of Bonham delight. Being a gear head in London Bridge Studio is like being a necrophiliac in a morgue. There’s too much to like.

On the other side the inputs and keyboards is an enmeshed intestinal world of circuits and wire. There the gear head feeds. Underneath knobs, faders, and screens lies a minute constellation of geekdom and know how. Ram, bits, and chains run. Can you feel it? The beauty. Electricity is the soundcard’s dreaming.

When working with computers and sound, signals are constantly being translated from analog to digital and back again. When the guitar player lays down their part, and you are editing it on a computer, you want the quality of sound to be the highest it can be. When you burn the song to disc, you want the disc to sound as good as can, right? Of course you do.

A/D converters do the translating. Different types of converters operate at different resolutions. That resolution determines the sound quality. Then there is the dithering. Dithering takes signal and allows the computer to understand it. Having good converters can make your home recording. Converters can provide the magic.

Like the stone mason knows stone, and the astronaut — space, the gear head knows gear. And revels in gear. Jonathan Plum from London Bridge Studio is one of those gear heads. He spoke and revealed knowledge:

What do the converters do?
Plum: People are often unaware of how important A/D converters are. Or even what they are. An A/D Converter converts an analog audio signal into a digital signal. Any digital recording device has one. It's as much as an important link in the signal chain as your microphone, preamp, and cables are.

Get techie with it.
Gear heads like us at London Bridge can endlessly debate on which A/D converters sound better. The cheaper the home recording gear is the cheaper the A/D converters are. Now-a-days most musicians own some form of ProTools or something similar. Usually it's the LE version. LE stands for Light Edition. It also stands for cheap and shitty sounding. When you’re paying $1000 for a Digi 002 that has 8 ins, 8 outs, 4 Focusrite mic pre's, and headphones etc. How good of quality do you actually expect the A/D converter to be?

I don’t know, tell me. And stay geeky.
Well, it's not great. It's the main reason why a Digi 002 can't sound as good as a ProTools HD system. At London Bridge we spent upwards of $12,000 on just our converters alone in the form of three Digidesign 192's. This gives us thirty-two quality digital ins and outs from ProTools to our Neve mixing board.

So how can home recorders improve?
There are many manufacturers of quality stand alone converters that can be used in conjunction with an LE system. Here at London Bridge we just upgraded our private studio suites into two identical public overdub suites. Both rooms feature a ProTools Digi 002 system running the brand new ProTools 8 software with Apogee MiniMe A/D converters. These converters are the perfect solution to making an LE system run like a pro system. They are a simple two channel A/D converter that feeds directly into ProTools digitally. All they do is convert the audio signal into a digital signal which then is fed into ProTools digital input. Fortunately, the cheap components of the LE system are thus bypassed. The MiniMe's are also capable of going hi res which simply means they can sample at higher resolutions than the cd standard format of 44.1 Khz. The MiniMe can go up to 96 Khz. With these 2 channel converters we can record at exactly the same quality as our main Neve room can. Only 2 channels at a time. Which is really all you need when overdubbing.

God that is sexy.
I know.

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Pat Boone 1
Geeks are ruining this country!
Posted by Pat Boone on June 25, 2009 at 2:57 PM
Pat Boone 2
Geeks are ruining this country!
Posted by Pat Boone on June 25, 2009 at 2:57 PM
3
Necrophilia. That is good. That is real good.
Posted by bridge on June 25, 2009 at 3:06 PM
4
I mean necrophilia is bad, yes, bad.
Posted by bridge on June 25, 2009 at 3:09 PM
5
Damn... I've been looking for something like this so I can send tracks off my Roland to my Mac for tight editing (seeing the waveform helps me) then slap them back. Or is there a better way to go about this?
Posted by drewl on June 26, 2009 at 12:24 AM
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Nope I guess this isn't what I need, but it looks like a sweet piece of gear, especially for taping shows.

Still, I need a way to transfer tracks between a Roland 890 and a Mac and back. Any suggestions?
Posted by drewl on June 26, 2009 at 12:42 AM
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6 - are you sure you can't do that? i think you can. when my gear doesn't work, i smack it until it works.
Posted by shey on June 26, 2009 at 10:29 AM
8
I was kind of thinking the same thing,

Seems like you could do that #6. Where is Plum? Get him in here.

& 7, take it easy on your gear. It works hard for you.
Posted by Blitzen Frivolity on June 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM
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Take the words of someone with a vested interest in a studio business with a grain of salt.

The Digi02 doesn't "sound shitty". But it is affordable, and in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing it can provide a very viable alternative to spending time and money in a studio.

Don't trust someone who tries to impress you with the cost of their gear without backing up their claims with demonstratable results. Claims that an AD converter just "sounds better" should be followed by examples of how they sound better. In the case of the Apogee products and dithering, you should explore the technology behind UV22HR encoding and whether it makes any difference at all for your indie rock record. Sorry, there is no "magic". There are characteristics of pre-amps, compressor/limiters, EQs, and converters that can be scientifically examined and compared. Anything that cannot be quantified, isolated, and reproduced in an independent environment is probably audiophile-grade nonsense.

Here is an example of real data. This is the audio analysis of a Digidesign Mbox, which is the cheaper, little sibling of the Digi02:

http://audio.rightmark.org/test/digidesi…

And this is the analysis of the Digidesign Mix, a much more expensive product:

http://audio.rightmark.org/test/digidesi…

You can see that where the Mbox is Good-to-Excellent, the Mix is Excellent across the board. Would you definte Good-to-Excellent as "shitty"? And can you hear the slight difference in THD when you've mixed together 48 tracks complete with amp hiss from your Twin Reverb and SVT? By the way, do you know what the THD on a SVT is? Hint...a LOT more than any of these audio interfaces.

People who own or benefit from owning this gear sometimes make claims that their component "clarifies the sound field" or "brings out more richness", or "you just don't have good enough ears to appreciate it". But if you can't see it on an oscilliscope it's a good candidate for the placebo effect.

There are a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings about audio engineering out there. Good gear can really help, and impressive gear can be inspiring. But use your own ears and your own judgement before opening your wallet.
More...
Posted by another opinion on June 26, 2009 at 11:23 AM
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@ 9, where does Plum say "you just don't have good enough ears to appreciate it" ? He doesn't say that at all.

I wish your links worked. I shall go find them now.
Posted by Blitzen Frivolity on June 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM
Dr. Empire 11
@1 yeah but we got one cool Disguise

@5 the mini me is only two inputs, I dont know how many tracks you have but you might want to check out somekind of 8 channel thing.

@9 we are not trying to brag about how much something costs, in fact this is about how affordable this is and how much it would add to your sound. Almost the best part about this is the two mic pres on the front mixed with soft limiting that is better quality than what most people have at home, so this is a great investment. I can also tell you from many years experience of explaining things to tech's is that you can not tell how something will react to an instrument by measuring it to a test tone :-P

- Dr Empire
Posted by Dr. Empire http://www.londonbridgestudio.com on June 26, 2009 at 1:34 PM
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-6
You can transfer your 890 tracks to pro tools via digital SPDF. This is better since you won't lose a generation loss. And don't need a converter at all. I can explain more if needed.

I use to own a Roland 1680. I eventually added an Apogee Rosetta a/d converter which made an enormous difference for tracking into it. I was amazed at how much better it sounded.

Posted by jpmusicpro on June 26, 2009 at 2:30 PM
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9
Thanks for your comments, links and perspective.
I personally can hear the difference between protools LE converters and Apogee.
Some times it's subtle and others it's not. The LE converter are not shit. I agree with that. I was getting little dramatic there.
What's even more stark is the converters in my old Roland VS 1680. I could NOT believe how much better that sounded with an Apogee Rosetta on the front end. Night and Day.

People often ask me why their home recorded tracks don't sound as good as what comes out of London Bridge. Even when they have nearly the same exact gear. What I notice most people lack when trying to reach a higher quality audio is the converters.

But like you said, use your ears.

~Jonathan LBS
Posted by jpmusicpro on June 26, 2009 at 2:57 PM
14
This is just an old fashioned gear smack down.
Posted by Blitzen Frivolity on June 26, 2009 at 3:49 PM

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