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Wednesday, August 19, 2009

The Limits

Posted by on Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:26 AM

Samantha Greaves of Examiner reports:

Last month, West coast rapper The Game was taped on stage slinging a barrage of insults at Brooklyn rapper Jay-Z; one of which being a diss directed at Jay's age stating that Jay is an "old a*s ni—-". Jim Jones also was caught on video, slandering Jay-Z for still remaining in Hip-Hop when he is slowly approaching his 40th birthday.

In a video for HipHopStan.com, DMC sets the record straight about the supposed age limit in Hip-Hop. The rapper says that Hip-Hop is more than music, it's a culture and just because someone matures with the genre does not mean they need to stop putting out music. He goes on to use examples about Pop and Rock & Roll artists that are still touring and performing and they are easing up to their 60th+ birthdays. Why should we limit Hip-Hop artists from continuing in their careers while other artists from other genres are not thinking about their age? DMC takes it a step further and states that successful Hip-Hop artists are degrading the Hip-Hop culture

DMC is dead wrong. There is an age limit to hiphop, and the same goes for rock. Both forms are at root about youth and the empowerment of youth (this is not true for jazz or classical music). LL Kool J, for example, is just too old to be making new raps or even taking seriously the raps he wrote when he was basically a boy ("I need love"). There is a time to make hiphop and there is a time to retire and do other things. Also, touring is very different from recording. One is about something you have already done; the other is about making something new. The old hiphop artist should be about the former and not the latter. There are, of course, exceptions (Sonic Youth, for a rock example); but most hiphop artists must come to terms with (be realistic about) the age limits of hiphop.

 

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slaggy 1
Seriously Charles, who fucking cares what The Game or Jim Jones has to say? The Game is washed up, Jones never was but Jay Z still kills world-wide. Hip-hop is a bastard artstyle anyway...don't you have something more worldly to expound upon?

PS

Why do you think Jazz is an old-man's game? You are wrong about Jazz, my man.
Posted by slaggy http://www.videowatchdog.com on August 19, 2009 at 11:54 AM
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"i'm so high i don't even know whats going on"
Posted by Chuckly Muddick on August 19, 2009 at 12:02 PM
jz 3
Rules are made to be broken, Charles. Toeing the tired, old line of "rock/rap/whatever is a young man's game" just makes you sound tired and old.

Rock and hip-hop are not about the empowerment of youth, they're about life, which includes the empowerment of youth and also the realities of aging. The best rock made right now? The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, TV on the Radio, and Battles, all in their mid-30s or older. Same with the best hip-hop--Mos Def, the Roots, Jay-Z, Nas.

Youth is where ideas are forged, mid-life is where they're refined. The punk ideal of killing your idols is a good one but not the only one.

You have a habit of trying to define what is or is not rock, what is or is not hip-hop. By doing so you ossify them as art forms, which is not only futile but harmful. Makes for good debate, tho, so thanks for your willingness to be wrong.
Posted by jz http://search.nwsource.com/search?sort=date&from=ST&byline=Jonathan%20Zwickel on August 19, 2009 at 12:40 PM
Larry Mizell, Jr. 4
charles, cats of any age can make shit that hits, long as it's true to them. when you have somebody like LL who is usually purposely trying to ape what's "hot", that shit don't ring true, everybody can tell, they're all gonna laugh at you!

i was gonna say it works if cats make "age-appropriate" shit but i could listen to Ghost say some juvenile ass shit and still love it.
Posted by Larry Mizell, Jr. on August 19, 2009 at 1:08 PM
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there is also an age limit to writing for the Stranger. The age is... how old are you again?
Posted by ageism on August 19, 2009 at 1:22 PM
Charles Mudede 6
@5, critics are allowed to grow old. indeed, we get better with age.
Posted by Charles Mudede on August 19, 2009 at 1:48 PM
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You're usually right about everything, Charles. This time you're wrong about everything.

For many artists, touring is not about something you've already done--touring is when new ideas emerge and are tested and developed in front of audiences. The recording process is often about documenting the innovations that happened on tour.
Posted by Kevin Erickson on August 19, 2009 at 2:18 PM
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#6 Charles- I'm sure that's what Jay Z would say about Hip Hop artists too..
Posted by tjeff on August 19, 2009 at 2:58 PM
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No Charles, you need to be taken out to the horse pasture
Posted by this ol' horse just ain't what she used to be on August 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM
jz 10
Here's Ann Powers' recent and brilliant piece on age, generation, and rock:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/music_bl…
Posted by jz http://search.nwsource.com/search?sort=date&from=ST&byline=Jonathan%20Zwickel on August 20, 2009 at 11:26 AM
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well as far as jayz is concerned, who wants to hear a 50 year old man rapping about fucking 20 year old girls and poppin bottles, or how "back in my day" i used to sell dope, or damn I have been filthy rich for two decades now and I still need to brag about the all the new cars I buy... come on now, tom petty strumming the guitar and singing some of the rock n roll classics is a far cry from the former.
Posted by jay is the man, but an old man at that on August 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM
douglas martin 12
charles, i totally disagree about rap being a "young man's game." although it seems like jay-z is on an artistic decline, there's no doubt that he's still the most revered man in rap, even when approaching forty. i think mizell's line about artists staying true to themselves rings true; people can tell when you're fronting.

also: ll cool j is not spelled with a "k," but i guess i'm just being a dick, now. if it was a typo, i apologize.
Posted by douglas martin http://passionweiss.com/category/douglas-martins-dirty-shoes/ on August 21, 2009 at 3:08 AM

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