Wednesday, September 9, 2009

The Belligerent Return of “Make Some Fucking Noise”: An Exegesis

Posted by Dave Segal on Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:42 PM

A few years ago on Line Out, I wrote a screed about live hiphop performances. The problems are my problems, granted, but more than being mere personal pet peeves, I see them as a plague on the art form. (If it matters, I’ve been following hiphop since 1979.) These issues that I outlined in that June 2006 post have not really subsided, if my experiences at hiphop events are indicative.

This thought occurred to me over the weekend at Bumbershoot. Both Dyme Def and De La Soul, as excellent artists as they are, fell prey to the sort of onstage antics I decried in that three-year-old post during their sets (Champagne Champagne, to their credit, did not).

So, if I may reiterate: If hiphop performers spent less time coaxing crowds to say this, do that, and make some fucking noise, and spent more time actually, you know, performing, live hiphop shows would dramatically improve—or not, depending on whether they have the goods. Do people in audiences really give a shit what their fellow attendees’ area codes are? I sure as hell don’t, with all due respect, Dyme Def. I can’t be the only one who thinks this way, can I?

On Sunday, after coming on to the Fisher Green Stage 20 minutes late, De La Soul squandered a lot of precious time discussing which side of the crowd was the “party” side and which was the “hiphop” side. Damn, De La: You guys just ought to catalyze the “party” with your “hiphop,” and not waste time talking about it. Do, don’t say (no go). With all due respect, sirs. You are too good to stoop to such pandering nonsense.

Yo, Segal—fuck your exegesis.
  • "Yo, Segal—fuck your exegesis."

I know, I know—it’s hiphop “tradition” to rouse the crowd, to generate a vibe. I understand that some artist/audience interaction—in moderation—can be beneficial to the overall experience. But, but… when that function supersedes actual rhyming and beatmaking, then we have a serious problem. We have what I would call "a failure to entertain."

Merely saying it’s tradition and accepting the status quo is bunk. Not all traditions are worth preserving or encouraging. (Oppressing women and minorities were traditions, too.) From the Wu to you who just spit into a mic on a stage for the first time yesterday, please, in the name of all that is unholy, do your shit and drop the bullshit. I don’t want to hear my fellow punters shout stuff in inane call-and-response routines that were tired even when Bush I was in office. I don’t fucking care which part of the crowd’s having the “real” party. There is no entertainment value in trying to discern this.

I can’t be the only one who feels this way, can I?

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nope your dead on about this... some times it seams that a rapper will have a 3 min song this is how it will generally start
"put your hands in the air, and wave them from side to side". that takes up about 30 sec
VERSE..... 45 sec
" Wave from side to side"...30 sec..... "Common common common".. 20 sec
CHORUS .... 30 sec
Verse ..... 45
" more banter"...20 sec
CHORUS...30 sec
than the song ends with another 30 seconds of crowd hype...
this is a common formula for a lot of hip hop.... My favorite is when they mention something about smoking weed in one of there raps, and as soon as they do this, it is a cue for all the white kids in the audience to throw there hands up and start hooting and hollering to signify that they to also smoke weed....
don't get me wrong i fuckin love hip hop......
Posted by white hip hop enthusiast on September 9, 2009 at 4:22 PM
2
Perhaps you could contact The Electrifying Mojo for a response?
Posted by Greydon Clark on September 9, 2009 at 4:32 PM
cosby 3
The "this side make some noise, no, this side make some noise" thing is really a waste of time and, to me, derails the momentum of sets. I love both De La and Dyme Def, but both sets suffered from interminable breaks in the music. Hip-hop is not about being like a rock band, and with very few exceptions, it rarely works.

I have a very low attention span, so this changes the way I see things - but I think hip-hop acts should rely on their strengths: ramshackle shows with few or no breaks between songs. Rock bands have to stop for breaks due to fatigue, the need to retune, the need to tell the sound guy why they are the most important instrument in the mix, whatever - hip-hop with two turntables doesn't need that break and can easily go on for hours. Why there are so many breaks in so many hip-hop sets is mystifying to me - hip-hop shouldn't be about people clapping, it should be about non-stop partying and who can party to unnecessary silence?
Posted by cosby http://www.myspace.com/cosbyshownights on September 9, 2009 at 4:44 PM
4
You're just jealous because your side of the crowd wasn't partying as hard as the other side. Also, Dan Deacon is like the apotheosis of this problem.
Posted by Eric Grandy on September 9, 2009 at 4:54 PM
5
Grandmaster Flash playing some MSN sponsored show at SXSW:"Let me hear ya say M-S-N!"

Yes it happened, I was there. Everyone has a price.
Posted by Jeff on September 9, 2009 at 5:11 PM
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#5... I can see the the lamborghiniz crew being sponsored by KY jelly..... Everybody say K.... Everybody say..... Y ....
Posted by bizz on September 9, 2009 at 5:50 PM
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Being a hip hop artist myself, I hate call and response. It is so '85 Run DMC and played out. It comes off as such a desperate attempt to get recognition from an audience who cant do much more than bob their heads. I don't wave my hands or scream when I'm told simply due to the emcee trying to save his set, that was otherwise boring and uninspired. Plus, i feel like a tool when i'm told to put my hands up or to scream; It is actually insulting to the crowd. The worse part is they look like an idiot on stage if the response doesn't go well.
Posted by ACER on September 10, 2009 at 12:16 PM
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You're right on, but its not just hip-hop. I had the same reaction when Akron Family implored the crowd to show some energy at b-shoot. My thought was: "Why don't you try a little harder to entertain. We're the ones standing in the cold wet weather to see your effort."
Posted by whowhatwhowhat on September 11, 2009 at 2:19 AM
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Hip-hop...is not very good.
Posted by Bassdropper on September 11, 2009 at 11:38 AM

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