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Tuesday, September 28, 2010

What We Hate

Posted by on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:29 AM

“What kind of music do you like?”

It’s practically an obsolete question because everyone inevitably answers with “I like all kinds of music.” It’s a question rarely met with a concise and specific response. But ask someone what kind of music they don’t like and you’ll find a different pattern. The difference between a casual music fan and the kind of obsessive enthusiasts that hang out on music blogs is that the dilettantes will usually list off broad genres that draw their ire. “I like everything but rap and country.

I don’t hate jazz; it just doesn’t give me goosebumps. Likewise, if an artist’s sole objective is to make your ass shake, it most likely doesn’t hold any interest to me. Blame my two left feet. Yet I don’t actively dislike this stuff. Ask me about my taste in music and I won’t tell you that I like everything except for jazz and club music. There’s the cliché where people state how much they hate opera. Really? How often is anyone actually exposed to opera music? Who complains about music they’re not routinely forced to endure? It’s akin to holding a grudge against Tuvan throat singing.

Blanket dismissals of genres are for novices. Music nerds’ objects of derision are usually much more specific, and generally geared not towards music forms they don't get, but forms they understand all too well. They hate music that hits too close to home. Case in point, my knee jerk reaction is to state that I hate screamo. But to be honest, a notable chunk of my record collection is comprised of releases by labels like Dischord, Gravity, Great American Steak Religion, and Ebullition. While I would argue that “screamo” was a termed coined by music writers in the wake of crossover successes like At The Drive In, there’s no denying that the term now covers the entire lineage. It’s that love and appreciation for bands like Nation of Ulysses, Antioch Arrow, and Swing Kids that made me cringe when I heard bands like The Used. I don’t hate screamo; I hate Thursday.

The music we hate isn’t the music we can tune out. Muzak isn’t painful; it’s background noise. We hate what we find too familiar. It’s the Minutemen-sampling, Op Ivy-copping, Toot & the Maytals-covering swill of Sublime. It’s the so-not-Daft Punk thud of Ghostland Observatory. It’s the vestiges of Faith No More in Korn. We hate it when a fatal flaw ruins a potential good thing. It’s that Smashing Pumpkins could be such a great band, but Billy Corgan ruins it. It’s that Vampire Weekend can craft an album full of earworms but the “upper Westside Soweto” gimmick comes across like a smugly self-aware “African Child” (sorry, Eric). It’s that Metallica cut their hair and started working with Bob Rock.

Perhaps there’s a relation between a person’s level of music geekiness and the specificity of their dislikes. From here on out, if someone asks me what kind of music I like, I’m responding with "anything but ‘Money For Nothing’ by Dire Straits.”

 

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metardtard 1
Good piece, Brian!
Posted by metardtard on September 28, 2010 at 10:40 AM
care bear 2
I saw some Tuvan throat singing at the Triple Door earlier this year and it was fucking awesome.
Posted by care bear on September 28, 2010 at 10:41 AM
T 3
"Blanket dismissals of genres are for novices." -- That says so concisely something I've been arguing for years with my friends who say they hate country/rap/whatever. Their exposures to the genres they hate are likely limited to just what they hear on TV/radio, which makes it all the more likely that they've only heard the most pandering, lowest common denominator bullshit the genre has to offer.

Likewise, people who say they like everything without singling out genres they hate strike me as people who only listen to the radio. If you can't list some genres or at least some bands that you DO like, then I'm probably not interested in talking about music with you anyway.

Then again, I actually really like Thursday, so you're probably not interested in what I have to say either.
Posted by T on September 28, 2010 at 11:30 AM
nipper 4
"While I would argue that “screamo” was a termed coined by music writers in the wake of crossover successes like At The Drive In, there’s no denying that the term now covers the entire lineage."

I dunno, I don't think contemporary terms are accurate when used retroactively. Terms like "stoner rock" and "screamo" used on older groups just to build a context around contemporary groups only shows how young/not in the know these writers are. Like, labeling Sabbath or Deep Purple "stoner rock"...a new term for new bands...its revisionism. Not cool. No one used that term in 1970. The revisionism is a short cut, less ain't more, not always.
Posted by nipper on September 28, 2010 at 12:01 PM
alithea 5
as somebody who likes ska (but, you know, whos sum is more than all the parts involved with "liking ska"), YEP to this whole post. it reminds me of this tobi vail quote:

dismissing something based on genre or hype, is buying into capitalist ways of organizing information. there are good songs in every style of music, and all musicians have to promote themselves in order to earn a living.
[...]
similarly, not going to a ‘black-metal’ show because you are in an indie-pop band or only like country music made in the 1930’s is to substitute genres for logos and is another form of conspicuous consumption. obviously this is not a threat to capitalism. if you are into a certain kind of music, fine, but don’t let that define you or close you off to a world of experience.
Posted by alithea on September 28, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Brian Cook 6
@4 i'm obviously not in favor of the practice, i'm just saying that it's the unfortunately reality. Sabbath obviously wasn't a stoner rock band. Godspeed You! Black Emperor wasn't a post-rock band. Reversal of Man wasn't a screamo band. But those bands are now hopelessly linked to those genre tags.

then again, we've always applied umbrella terms to the past. Da Vinci didn't know he was a Renaissance artist.
Posted by Brian Cook http://www.last.fm/user/bubblegutz on September 28, 2010 at 12:31 PM
Adam Superfan 7
Yeah, Dire Straits gets on every fucking last nerve!
Posted by Adam Superfan http://facebook.com/hateyouhumans on September 28, 2010 at 12:34 PM
nipper 8
@6 yes, an unfortunately reality!!!

When writers use those terms its a good qualifier for me to know it's time to quit reading further.
Posted by nipper on September 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM
9
You always have great things to say Brian, I agree with this writeup completely. Keep making amazing music & see you on tour with Russian Circles in October!
Posted by josepfine on September 28, 2010 at 2:14 PM
bunnypuncher 10
You read my mind, Brian.
Posted by bunnypuncher http://twitter.com/princess_wolfie on September 28, 2010 at 3:34 PM
Keekee 11
I have never once read or heard of Black Sabbath or Deep Purple being refered to as Stoner Rock.

And the term Post-Rock predates the formation of Godspeed You! Black Emperor by at least a decade.

Get it togetha!

I believe that it was Duke Ellington who said: "There are only two types of musik: good & bad."
Posted by Keekee on September 28, 2010 at 8:28 PM
12
Brian, there's always something comforting about seeing you mention great now-obscure 90's hardcore. A big thumbs up to this whole post. On point, as usual.
Posted by Benj on September 28, 2010 at 8:36 PM
More, I Say! 13
...Es un PATO Ellington! Duck Ellington!
Posted by More, I Say! on September 29, 2010 at 7:59 AM
Brian Cook 14
@11 i guess i'm just out of the loop. i don't recall hearing the term "post-rock" in any sort of definitive manner prior to 3 or 4 years ago, and i was at the GY!BE shows back in their active years. maybe i wasn't paying close enough attention. or more likely, i wasn't reading music press.
Posted by Brian Cook http://www.last.fm/user/bubblegutz on September 29, 2010 at 8:36 AM
nipper 15
@11 ms keekee, who was considered post-rock in the '90s? Seems like prog would be post rock...whatevs, its a term I dont really like or use. Hmmmm, I bet the same kids Ive heard call records "vinyls" use that term.
Posted by nipper on September 29, 2010 at 9:22 AM
tallchris 16
Post-rock initially sprung up around Tortoise and bands of that ilk in the mid-90s. Eventually it just turned into a standard line for guitar bands with long instrumental songs with lots of delay pedals.
Posted by tallchris http://policeteeth.bandcamp.com on September 29, 2010 at 9:58 AM
nipper 17
Ah...listened to some of this "post rock" biz, its prog...kinda mid '70 Pink Floyd.
Posted by nipper on September 30, 2010 at 11:48 AM

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