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Thursday, February 24, 2011
??!! Sublime Is Just Awful, Right?
Posted by Derek Erdman on Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:15 AM
A few hours ago I received a text message from a friend. She's from Long Beach, CA and claimed that Sublime was the "90s Beatles". She followed that up with "I am drunk but I am telling the TRUTH." I've never really noticed this band, except for t-shirts worn by people that I'd steer clear of, but she went even further to say that Sublime needed to be explained to a person. I then watched a video for the song called Date Rape and stopped replying to her texts.
Ten minutes later, she wrote again: "I am a feminist and I hate men and stuff, but I will totally explain what Sublime's all about to you. I actually hated them growing up, but these Japanese foreign exchange students broke it down for me in college. They had no idea about the horrible lyrics, and that's when I started realizing that a pop song is a pop song."
The thing I'm worried about now is that she's going to explain Sublime to me and I'm going to like them. It's similar to my fear of becoming a Born Again Christian. Right now in my life these are things that don't seem appealing to me and I'd kind of like to keep it that way. On the other hand, I never thought I'd like skiing as a child, but I liked it after I tried it. See? I'm terrified.
- Way to go, dad.
1
Sublime's cover of "rivers of babylon" by The Melodians is the most offensive thing i've ever fucking heard.
I was stoked when that dude died.
I was stoked when that dude died.
2
few things are worse than when i hear '54-46 that's my number' playing somewhere and someone goes "hey is this a sublime cover?". i dont know, why dont you go look it up on GOFUCKYOURSELF.com?
5
"Sublime Is Just Awful" ... 'Sublime was the "90s Beatles"'
I don't really see a contradiction there.
I don't really see a contradiction there.
6
:( sublime takes my headaches away. Granted they must only be listened to during the summer in order to appreciate them.
10
According to #8's About Me page:
"What song or movie makes you cry?: Like a Woman (Bob Dylan) Fast Car (Tracy Chapman) and The movie Pieces of April"
"What song or movie makes you cry?: Like a Woman (Bob Dylan) Fast Car (Tracy Chapman) and The movie Pieces of April"
14
A lot of my distaste for Sublime stems from the endless stream of crappy ska/reggae/rock bands that popped up in the local music scene during the early-middle part of the last decade. What's worse than a band I never really liked? An explosion of mediocre bands blatantly ripping off a band I never really liked.
15
i can't say that I've listened to them in 10 years, but I'm going to go ahead and say that Sublime did not suck. Yes, they had some annoying hit songs and were overplayed by annoying frat boys. But that motherfucker could write a pop song, and the influence of punk, hip hop and ska all sounded legit and organic for a bunch of stoner white guys.
18
Sublime is good, if you make an exception for their disgusting songs: date rape, and caress me down. Those songs are gross and not good.
20
I will always and forever associate Sublime with one of their shithead fans* at the Warped tour ages ago who decided that my friend was the fattest cow he had ever seen and went on and on about the indignity of having to sit within 20 feet of her**. (He also decided that I was fat by extension and wouldn't shut up about that shit either.)
*They are ALL shitheads, for the record.
**We were only suffering through Sublime's vomitous act so we would have a good seat for L7. It was barely worth it despite L7 being fucking awesome.
*They are ALL shitheads, for the record.
**We were only suffering through Sublime's vomitous act so we would have a good seat for L7. It was barely worth it despite L7 being fucking awesome.
22
I'm with cb @15. I even still listen to them with enjoyment when one of their songs pop up on the radio. Which 'Date Rape' did the other day on The End, and I sung along and bobbed my head.
Of course, most of my friends are of the opinion as most of the people here are, but that's not gonna stop my enjoyment.
Of course, most of my friends are of the opinion as most of the people here are, but that's not gonna stop my enjoyment.
23
FWIW Derek, even Sublime said that they hate that "Date Rape" song.
But I gotta agree with those saying that the band totally pulled an Elvis Presley - they took something invented by black people (reggae) and completely whitewashed it. White audiences ate it up, especially the fratty types who are into stuff that's, yknow, "chill, brah." I can personally attest to the fact that they were hugely popular among white high school Seattlites (aka my classmates) right around the '00s.
However, @15 is right in that they got a worse name due to a few songs getting tremendously played out. I hated their groovy crap like "What I Got" but could rock the fuck out to stuff that they actually put their stamp on like "Seed." Try listening to that one.
I think it just boils down to it being an "LBC Thing." They were a product of their environment, some poor white trash punker types that drank/smoked/shot up way too much, listened to a lot of old reggae and happened to make music about it.
But I gotta agree with those saying that the band totally pulled an Elvis Presley - they took something invented by black people (reggae) and completely whitewashed it. White audiences ate it up, especially the fratty types who are into stuff that's, yknow, "chill, brah." I can personally attest to the fact that they were hugely popular among white high school Seattlites (aka my classmates) right around the '00s.
However, @15 is right in that they got a worse name due to a few songs getting tremendously played out. I hated their groovy crap like "What I Got" but could rock the fuck out to stuff that they actually put their stamp on like "Seed." Try listening to that one.
I think it just boils down to it being an "LBC Thing." They were a product of their environment, some poor white trash punker types that drank/smoked/shot up way too much, listened to a lot of old reggae and happened to make music about it.
24
want to hear something bizarro? I haven't thought about that date rape video in YEARS but my roommates and I got stoned last night and I found a folder chock full of old music videos on my old external hard drive from years ago. The video was indeed hilariously bad and perhaps the most laugh inducing out of the handful that we watched....
yikes....
yikes....
25
I don't know who I dislike more: Sublime themselves, or every dipshit wannabe surfbro who wandered into my record store asking for Sublime over the years. Nothing says "awesome" like a lead singer who decides that heroin will make him cooler.
26
No way. Sublime and Bad Religion were the shit when I was a 14 yr. old, suburban skater kid who got high schoolers to buy me camel lights w/ my paper route money. And yes, I did have a paper route. I didn't listen to it with a critical ear then, and I do not now. Ah yea. the good ole days.
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@23 interesting mention of white washing but I'm just interested to know what, if any, music genre was actually created by white people? Classical & punk? Is that it? Are white musicians obligated to only create classic punk music for the remainder of time with no fusion of genres allowed?
I'm sorry, sublime and other shit music aside, I fucking hate this argument against bands. For every band through history it's such an easy cop-out to accuse them of "copying" their influences and absolutely no band in the history of time can cleanly avoid this common accusation of robbing another artist's grave. It only takes a well informed music nerd to reduce all of your favorite bands to pathetic copycat of any band before them. Let's just put this argument to rest.
I'm sorry, sublime and other shit music aside, I fucking hate this argument against bands. For every band through history it's such an easy cop-out to accuse them of "copying" their influences and absolutely no band in the history of time can cleanly avoid this common accusation of robbing another artist's grave. It only takes a well informed music nerd to reduce all of your favorite bands to pathetic copycat of any band before them. Let's just put this argument to rest.
28
i never gave them much consideration before - they just were. annoying but harmless enough, stoner surf-bro music. but i never actually saw them with my eyeballs before just now, and god, they are 1,000 times more annoying now that i have.
30
My sole source of comfort here is that I can't tell you what Sublime even sounds like. I could guess, since I'm pretty sure I've seen a picture of them once. Did they do that one "Walking on the Sun" song? Even if they didn't, really, they probably did.
The Beatles of the 90's? No. Maybe the Statler Brothers, or the Royal Guardsmen, of the 90's.
The Beatles of the 90's? No. Maybe the Statler Brothers, or the Royal Guardsmen, of the 90's.
33
@27:
White people also invented (and are thus allowed to) play: Krautrock, musique concrète, polka, and shape note singing.
White people also invented (and are thus allowed to) play: Krautrock, musique concrète, polka, and shape note singing.
35
I'm no Sublime fan, as their schtick has appealed more to dorm room jock types and frat rockers, but "Robbin' the Hood" is a great album. It has dancehall, hip-hop, punk, and a song that makes good use of a Doors sample. It definitely stands out above the rest of their albums and something I'd recommend to anyone, Sublime fan or not.
36
This may be because I'm young, but I grew up with Sublime and loved them throughout middle school and high school. You can't judge a band completely on hit songs like "Date Rape." That's just stupid because if you really listened to some of the other songs Bradley Nowell wrote, he was a fine writer. Though they did do a lot of covers, they were better than half the covers I hear. All this feminist crap by the way, Bradley Nowell was clearly being satirical. Why not hate on Nirvana for "Polly" or "Heart Shaped Box" while your at it! Though overplayed "Santeria" is a great song. Also, note a note: MOST bands sing about drugs and alcohol in their lyrics, pretty much all new and old rock bands have at least a couple songs about it. You know why? Most rock stars get into drugs. SHOCKING, I know. Also, the Beatles are awesome. To say they're not is to ignore their influence on music today.
37
@9
What ska song did Sublime come out with? And I'd say 3rd wave ska is to ska what Limp Bizkit is to rap.
@11
get started
What ska song did Sublime come out with? And I'd say 3rd wave ska is to ska what Limp Bizkit is to rap.
@11
get started
38
Alternate history of America: Sublime is the first band to harness the power of polka and incorporate it's elements into musique concrète (popular at colleges at the time). Bradley Nowell later becomes a professor in oceanography and is the first man to communicate with dolphins. They bond over puka shells.
39
Sublime is a vortex of suck. The distaste for them is exacerbated by the asshats that sing their praise (and their songs loudly at karaoke).
40
Sublime didn't suck. How can you hate a ska band with lead singer who, for no reason, breaks into a Johnny Mathis impression in the middle of a song about handjobs? That said, I can only listen to about half of their songs.
42
@27 - I see your point and get where you're coming from, slippery slope argument aside. The "whitewashing" I'm decrying here is the kind that @2 described. Redoing or covering timeless, classic reggae songs but adding an extra bounce to it so kids in Birkenstocks can do that little twirly-dance to them, all the while thinking that these Sublime dudes are fucking geniuses for writing a song about 5446 being their number.
Yeah this happens all the time in music, but it doesn't make it okay. What really makes me cringe is thinking about how the original artists who made those reggae tracks probably got $50 up front for recording a song that the label fatcats made thousands (hey, it was a long time ago) on, and Sublime ended up making millions off the same shit by repackaging it for affluent white kids.
Feel me?
Yeah this happens all the time in music, but it doesn't make it okay. What really makes me cringe is thinking about how the original artists who made those reggae tracks probably got $50 up front for recording a song that the label fatcats made thousands (hey, it was a long time ago) on, and Sublime ended up making millions off the same shit by repackaging it for affluent white kids.
Feel me?
44
@23 Thanks for the reminder about Seed. It's been over 10 years since I have listened to it but it is still a great song.
Yeah I think that Sublime was over played and exhausted even the jocks who played it on heavy rotation, but you gotta hand it to them, they created some awesome pop songs. I think hating them is extreme and a little silly. Like some people HATE them to be cool now? Relax guys.
Yeah I think that Sublime was over played and exhausted even the jocks who played it on heavy rotation, but you gotta hand it to them, they created some awesome pop songs. I think hating them is extreme and a little silly. Like some people HATE them to be cool now? Relax guys.
45
Someone from Long Beach saying that Sublime is the best band ever is like someone from Minneapolis saying the Replacements were the best band ever. OK - maybe that's not a fair comparison, but Sublime is/was part of the Long Beach mythology. As someone above said, they perfectly captured the essence of Long Beach party kids - self-absorbed, superficial, and aggressive.
Thank god I got out of Long Beach as soon as I graduated from high school.
Thank god I got out of Long Beach as soon as I graduated from high school.
46
Sublime played along side Mike Watt and had his stamp of approval...
What now internet shit-talkers?...
What now internet shit-talkers?...
48
@46 - Mike Watt doesn't count - he's from San Pedro. See my post @ #45. That said, Mr. Watt is a fine, upstanding gentleman and I in no way think he is self-absorbed, superficial, and aggressive.
49
Comments: tl;dr - but did anybody mention that lead singer dude was like: "OH COOL MUSIC, UH OH PREGNANT GIRL, NEAT A BABY, I GUESS I'LL PARTY MYSELF TO DEATH"?
50
The Replacements are pretty much the best ban ever and I've only ever passed-through Minneapolis.
I met the guys from Sublime once. I found them to be swine.
I met the guys from Sublime once. I found them to be swine.
51
@25: Cashiers like you are why I stopped buying any of my music in record stores. Not because I was ever stymied whilst trying to purchase a Sublime record, but because I knew that if I did try to purchase something similarly uncool at my local indie shop, some condescending prick behind the counter would give me the stinkeye. Wait, you mean I can get music online and circumvent the whole obnoxious transaction? I believe I will.
re. "Whitewashing": "Did you know that Elvis didn't actually write "Hound Dog!" Because I did! I know all about suffering, unknown artists who never got famous or rich or anything. Therefore the music you know about sucks. I win at music!"
Sure, you can name the artist that got ripped off by Canned Heat. But can you name the artist that THEY ripped off? Further study is required.
re. Sublime: Different people like different stuff. Even frat-boys.
re. "Whitewashing": "Did you know that Elvis didn't actually write "Hound Dog!" Because I did! I know all about suffering, unknown artists who never got famous or rich or anything. Therefore the music you know about sucks. I win at music!"
Sure, you can name the artist that got ripped off by Canned Heat. But can you name the artist that THEY ripped off? Further study is required.
re. Sublime: Different people like different stuff. Even frat-boys.
52
Haters can choke on it. Go listen to Sublime and 40 Oz to Freedom for the first time in ten years. Grab some friends, maybe sip on some stockpiled 4Lokos. Bask in the glory of April 29, 1992 and the credits track on 40 Oz. Ooh yeah, that's the good stuff. Sublime can jam, brah!
53
I love this thread.
To @3, I'd say that Sublime is the Dave Matthews Band for people who failed to get a GED.
To @3, I'd say that Sublime is the Dave Matthews Band for people who failed to get a GED.
54
Sublime was anything but awful. They wrote good songs. They all played their instruments pretty good. Brad sang soulfully. Thier influences were actually quite diverse: reggae, ska, punk, Beastie Boys, and they even covered a Grateful Dead song, with funny new lyrics added making fun of the hippie subculture.
But, being from LBC instead of some great urban/collegiate creative mecca, they had a different set of influences and a different approach to life. A different aesthetic, than what we urbanites generally prefer. Which reflected in their audience. Speaking of their audience, does anyone else think of the stereotypical Sublime fan as a kinder gentler juggalo?
Also, my big pet peeve with Sublime was that it sounded like Brad used an effects processor. Now that is some lame ass suburban shit, and even then kind of cool, because usually the dudes who use those things are way into the guitar hero shit, not reggae/ska/skate punk. Note to aspiring guitarists: Just pick 4 or 5 effects peddals and call it good, no generic processors!
But, being from LBC instead of some great urban/collegiate creative mecca, they had a different set of influences and a different approach to life. A different aesthetic, than what we urbanites generally prefer. Which reflected in their audience. Speaking of their audience, does anyone else think of the stereotypical Sublime fan as a kinder gentler juggalo?
Also, my big pet peeve with Sublime was that it sounded like Brad used an effects processor. Now that is some lame ass suburban shit, and even then kind of cool, because usually the dudes who use those things are way into the guitar hero shit, not reggae/ska/skate punk. Note to aspiring guitarists: Just pick 4 or 5 effects peddals and call it good, no generic processors!
58
@56:
Huh? Awful is still ahead by a 22 point margin. I am highly skeptical of the sudden rush of votes for "no" this afternoon, although 2pm is the 8am for Sublime fans.
Huh? Awful is still ahead by a 22 point margin. I am highly skeptical of the sudden rush of votes for "no" this afternoon, although 2pm is the 8am for Sublime fans.
59
y'all are totally missing the point.
listen to their record "40 Oz. to Freedom" from 1992.
their sound was COMPLETELY original - influences from old school hip-hop (KRS) to Marley to the Dead, and featured some of the craziest/weirdest/lo-fi/dancehall production you'll ever hear... dudes seriously had an ear for avante-garde hip-hop.
Bradley was insanely talented, which came through not only in his ability to curate these sounds from the past into something fresh, but in his knack for songwriting and accomplished guitar playing.
the title track from 40 Oz. to Freedom is great example of how genius Bradley was. the vocal melody and bass line are seemingly in totally different keys...... but it gives this incredible abstract groove to the song, something i've never heard in any other music
I listen to all this obscure electronica shit and retro-hipster bands that are all the rage these days too, so it's not like i'm stuck in 1996.
i've always said it: Sublime were way more advanced than anybody gave them credit for, and if drugs hadn't fucked it up, they would've advanced far beyond whatever 3rd wave ska/pop sound it was that gave them a bad rep among music critics (and a favorable rep among frat boys).
and just so we're clear, this isn't the only example of a heroin-addict, rock-star father fucking everything up (y'all are from Seattle, right?)
believe it, Bradley was a genius.
listen to their record "40 Oz. to Freedom" from 1992.
their sound was COMPLETELY original - influences from old school hip-hop (KRS) to Marley to the Dead, and featured some of the craziest/weirdest/lo-fi/dancehall production you'll ever hear... dudes seriously had an ear for avante-garde hip-hop.
Bradley was insanely talented, which came through not only in his ability to curate these sounds from the past into something fresh, but in his knack for songwriting and accomplished guitar playing.
the title track from 40 Oz. to Freedom is great example of how genius Bradley was. the vocal melody and bass line are seemingly in totally different keys...... but it gives this incredible abstract groove to the song, something i've never heard in any other music
I listen to all this obscure electronica shit and retro-hipster bands that are all the rage these days too, so it's not like i'm stuck in 1996.
i've always said it: Sublime were way more advanced than anybody gave them credit for, and if drugs hadn't fucked it up, they would've advanced far beyond whatever 3rd wave ska/pop sound it was that gave them a bad rep among music critics (and a favorable rep among frat boys).
and just so we're clear, this isn't the only example of a heroin-addict, rock-star father fucking everything up (y'all are from Seattle, right?)
believe it, Bradley was a genius.
60
Hey, I need help in remembering a totally awful song from this same era-ish. It's rap/rock with the verse rapped and the chorus sung. The video just featured a blond haired guy's head. I want to say that it's called "Down". If you were here I'd hum it to you.
64
dangit. #33 was the best thing I've read all day.
varese's early polka/shapenote works? clearly a man ahead of his time
varese's early polka/shapenote works? clearly a man ahead of his time
65
I freaking love sublime, but I can see how some people wouldn't get into it. Its just a simpler kind of enjoyment, and at risk of sounding like a cliched douchebag, its just mellow stuff. It's obviously not for everyone, but what is? Just saw a Sublime tribute band last night, and its that sense of camaraderie that I love so much. There is really no better feeling than singing the songs with a huge group of people who all know every word. And to whoever said you can only listen to Sublime in the summer, the beautiful thing about it is that its always summer time when you hear Sublime. And Date Rape is a really god awful example, for the record.
67
I have little to no opinion of them. I could never tell them apart from 311. I'm voted yes anyway.
69
And another thing, what happened to judging a bands music by the actual music as opposed to hating a band because of their fans? Like I said, I was at a Badfish (Sublime tribute) concert last night, and trust me, I know a whole lot of total A-Hole fans exist. But does that immediately discredit the musicians? I know people who love Tool, but couldn't tell you a damn thing about song meanings or actual musicianship. People who love Floyd, Nirvana, Queens of the Stone Age, The Mars Volta, (I can literally go on for days) who don't know what any song means, don't know what the band may stand for, don't know shit about shit. Is that any rational reason to dislike the band? Because of its fans? There's no doubt Sublime is great music to sit around and get stoned to and just mindlessly rock out, but that doesn't diminish the quality of the lyrics or music. All three members of Sublime were very talented and gifted. The idiocy of their fans should hold no influence over your opinion of the music.
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@62 I'm not sure what kind of list you're making Derek but put butterfly by crazy town on it. Come my lady come come milady
72
as a kid sublime was the first band i ever really loved. Their songs were fun and the wide variety of sampling opened up a lot of music for me, causing me to become more educated and more passionate about music. I think thats a pretty awesome thing for a band to do.
I just read all the comments, and the only one that really broke my heart was #53. Thats just harsh.
I just read all the comments, and the only one that really broke my heart was #53. Thats just harsh.
73
I'm not a fan, but I voted NO out of respect for the legit awfulness of bands that are truly just awful.
74
Anyone who has such strong opinions on not liking the band Sublime has probably never spent a summer in Southern California.
Also to say the lead singer of a band is "stupid" or "talentless" for overdosing seems quite silly. It's always a silly thing to say, but especially given this cities musical history.
Also to say the lead singer of a band is "stupid" or "talentless" for overdosing seems quite silly. It's always a silly thing to say, but especially given this cities musical history.
76
@15, 59 Dead on
@ 74 You're not being harsh enough, anyone who has such strong opinions on not liking the band Sublime is probably not a very fun person to be around period.
40oz was a pretty amazingly original album to come out in 1992. For reference Paul's Boutique and Ice, Ice baby came out the same year. I'd be willing to bet most serious Sublime haters were listening to Ice, Ice Baby that year.
They were kids making music for other kids. They get a bad rap now because they get held to too high a standard. They weren't the best band ever but they certainly weren't awful.
@ 74 You're not being harsh enough, anyone who has such strong opinions on not liking the band Sublime is probably not a very fun person to be around period.
40oz was a pretty amazingly original album to come out in 1992. For reference Paul's Boutique and Ice, Ice baby came out the same year. I'd be willing to bet most serious Sublime haters were listening to Ice, Ice Baby that year.
They were kids making music for other kids. They get a bad rap now because they get held to too high a standard. They weren't the best band ever but they certainly weren't awful.
77
@74 ha ha I'm trying to be a nice but fully concur with your comment.
If there's sun on your shoulders and Sublime comes on, your instinct should be to crank it up, and order another beer. If that is not your immediate reaction, check your pulse because you're probably dead (or dead on the inside).
If there's sun on your shoulders and Sublime comes on, your instinct should be to crank it up, and order another beer. If that is not your immediate reaction, check your pulse because you're probably dead (or dead on the inside).
79
@76 Uhhh hate to nitpick but Paul's Boutique came out in 1989; Ice, Ice Baby in 1990. Also, Beastie Boys are on a whole other trajectory, artistically and connotatively than Sublime and don't even belong in this discussion.
To put this all into perspective - Beastie Boys were the Beatles of 1988-1995; Rob Van Winkle was the Jim Morrison of 1990-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie; Sublime's Brad Nowell was the Eric Clapton of 1992-1997 (because they both exploit and appropriate "black" music like reggae, blues, etc and their music sucks). "Egg Man" was the Beastie's "Walrus"; "Ice, Ice Baby" rap-metal reinterpretation was Van Winkle's "Light My Fire"; "Santeria" was Sublime's "Tears in Heaven."
To put this all into perspective - Beastie Boys were the Beatles of 1988-1995; Rob Van Winkle was the Jim Morrison of 1990-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie; Sublime's Brad Nowell was the Eric Clapton of 1992-1997 (because they both exploit and appropriate "black" music like reggae, blues, etc and their music sucks). "Egg Man" was the Beastie's "Walrus"; "Ice, Ice Baby" rap-metal reinterpretation was Van Winkle's "Light My Fire"; "Santeria" was Sublime's "Tears in Heaven."
80
"To put this all into perspective - Beastie Boys were the Beatles of 1988-1995; Rob Van Winkle was the Jim Morrison of 1990-Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie; Sublime's Brad Nowell was the Eric Clapton of 1992-1997 (because they both exploit and appropriate "black" music like reggae, blues, etc and their music sucks). "Egg Man" was the Beastie's "Walrus"; "Ice, Ice Baby" rap-metal reinterpretation was Van Winkle's "Light My Fire"; "Santeria" was Sublime's 'Tears in Heaven.'"
Pretty much exactly.
Pretty much exactly.
81
@42
Bro Toots gets paid for every record Sublime sells with 5446 on it so shut your mouth, you don't know what you're talking about. Research "mechanical royalties".
They have made far more money because of Sublime, either directly from record sales, or from the natural promotion and increased awareness of an otherwise pretty much forgotten old reggae band.
As far as them playing reggae in general?? OMG they have influences, everybody shit a brick. After all we're all still playing the same 12 notes that fucking Bach was using 400 years ago. Get over it.
Bro Toots gets paid for every record Sublime sells with 5446 on it so shut your mouth, you don't know what you're talking about. Research "mechanical royalties".
They have made far more money because of Sublime, either directly from record sales, or from the natural promotion and increased awareness of an otherwise pretty much forgotten old reggae band.
As far as them playing reggae in general?? OMG they have influences, everybody shit a brick. After all we're all still playing the same 12 notes that fucking Bach was using 400 years ago. Get over it.
82
Sublime was the btk of music, brad was the dennis rader of music, some talent, the band ruined long beach, then came the f-ing hipsters to finish it off
83
This blog's author and the commentors have terrible taste in music apparently. I cant see anything wrong with Sublime. their songs can be repetitive, but brad's lyrics are hilarious and a lot of people find meaning to them. and their songs are too groovy. check vids from the 90s people going wild in the crowds, stage diving and moshing left and right, you dont see that in most ska concerts.
84
I cant see anything wrong with Sublime. their songs can be repetitive, but brad's lyrics are hilarious and a lot of people find meaning to them. and their songs are too groovy. check vids from the 90s people going wild in the crowds, stage diving and moshing left and right, you dont see that in most ska concerts.
yeah.. and saying a band sucks because you dont like the sort of fanbase they appeal, sounds like you really dont clue into the fact that anyone can like a band without a preconceived notion of being a "good" or "bad" fan.
yeah.. and saying a band sucks because you dont like the sort of fanbase they appeal, sounds like you really dont clue into the fact that anyone can like a band without a preconceived notion of being a "good" or "bad" fan.
85
All of you have absolutely no taste in music, don't be so narrow minded. Respect music for what it is and how others interpret it.
86
Fucking Christ sublime only released two albums before Bradley died, and they gained minimal attention if any at all during their actual existence. It wasn't until after Nowell's death that they started to gain notoriety and the remaining members were able to release the remainder of the material they recorded. Just because maybe four or five of their songs have become a staple of 90's playlists often featured at bars or parties doesn't mean that their discography doesn't deserve an attentive listen. In my opinion there is something in there for any fan of reggae, punk/ska, or dancehall music. ALSO the acoustic release of Bradley playing for the most part alone features some of the most candid moments and examples of raw talent in playing/ song writing that I have ever heard on any acoustic recording. This is a band whose influence has echoed for the last twenty years. Of course taste is subjective and you are each entitled to your own, but Jesus H. Fuck, don't write off the band that revived a genre, leaving a plethora of progenies in it's wake (some of whom are arguably just as important). Pricks.
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Very wrong. Sublime is one of the greatest bands of all time. They are easily on par with the Beatles, it's just that their career was cut short with the death of Brad Newell, and thus did not produce as many hit records. To realize the true talent of Sublime, you must look beyond the mainstream tracks forced down your throats by radio, and consider their more underground recordings such as "40 oz to Freedom," or "Robbin tha' Hood." Like the Beatles, their style was completely unique, modern, and gained wide popularity during it's time, spawning many other bands of the same genre (LBDAS, Slightly Stoopid, 311, Limp Bizkit, etc...). And as for the controversial content of their lyrics, any music fan knows that drugs and alcohol have been a central theme of countless songs (as far back as the 1910s). If you don't at least respect Sublime you either know nothing about music, or you are a complete fool. I guess another option would be that you are Amish and just don't have a radio. In that case, don't write about s$&@ you don't know, douchebag. Sublime is better than the Beatles, '69, '99, 2013 and forever.
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