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Saturday, January 21, 2012

Some Odd Food for Future Thought

Posted by on Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Odd Future get banned from New Zealand's Big Day Out festival, so they put their own show on, which sells out. This being television news—even foreign television news—we don't get much more than a few sound bites to pique interests, but it's safe to say that Odd Future's Syd the Kid, an out lesbian, kind of nails it. Watch it or clasp your hands over your ears and say "LALALALALALALALALA..." Suggested reading: Charles Mudede's preview of their recent Seattle show.


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Megan Seling 1
Personally, I don't think having a woman and/or a lesbian in your band gives you a free pass to write homophobic and/or misogynistic lyrics.

How is that different than Sarah Palin or Rick Santorum saying "I have gay friends" while not supporting gay rights?
Posted by Megan Seling on January 21, 2012 at 3:06 PM · Report this
Larry Mizell, Jr. 2
nobody says Syd's existence gives OF a pass. nobody tight, anyway.
Posted by Larry Mizell, Jr. on January 21, 2012 at 3:20 PM · Report this
Megan Seling 3
People have, though. I've discussed OF with folks before (granted, a number of times it's been stranger's on the internet) and people have said "They have a gay person in the band!" as evidence that they're not in any way homophobic. It's lame.
Posted by Megan Seling on January 21, 2012 at 3:39 PM · Report this
Fuck them and their shitty hateful lyrics.

Posted by a kid on January 21, 2012 at 7:28 PM · Report this
the music will survive long after the discussion of what is or isn't good for people to hear does. why? because if the music doesn't last, all we'll have is people talking about music where there is none. and that definitely will cause violence, rape, etc. #freeearl
Posted by ...willsaveusall on January 21, 2012 at 9:23 PM · Report this
LEE. 6

best argument made about anything in the world ever.
Posted by LEE. on January 22, 2012 at 3:00 PM · Report this
Megan is right.
Posted by Kevin Erickson on January 22, 2012 at 9:35 PM · Report this
Larry Mizell, Jr. 8
@6 you prefer strawmanning. bravo
Posted by Larry Mizell, Jr. on January 23, 2012 at 12:12 AM · Report this
Rappers (and skaters, for that matter) have never been particularly worried about offending anyone.

This very vulgar and misogynistic rap song came out in 1988, before any of the Odd Future kids were even born.…

Don't feed the troll, and don't listen to stuff you don't like. If Odd Future is the only rap group you're paying attention to, you're doing it wrong.
Posted by Mike Ramos on January 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM · Report this
LEE. 10

I am being 100% genuine here, guy. love it.
Posted by LEE. on January 23, 2012 at 2:37 PM · Report this
syd is on the cover of LA weekly this week on this very subject. can anyone find a link to that article? meant to slip a copy in my bag for the plane trip home, but didn't...

Posted by kirk huffman on January 24, 2012 at 8:58 AM · Report this
found it, here's some quotes:

"Self-conscious and racked with low self-esteem, Syd transferred during her sophomore year from Palisades High School to the Hamilton High Music Academy. She was depressed, she says, in part due to struggles with her identity and sexuality. Odd Future seem to have helped bring her out of her shell..."

"she's something of an outsider in the hotly discussed collective, which often is accused of being misogynistic and homophobic. Often glossed over is that Syd happens to prefer women, and if you don't think that's a big deal, you're wrong: The notoriously gay-unfriendly world of hip-hop boasts not a single viable artist who has come out of the closet. Thus the 19-year-old born Sydney Bennett is literally its most famous gay person."

"Here's the thing about shock value," Syd starts, before Martians finishes her sentence. "You have to strike a nerve in any kind of way, because the world is so desensitized."

"They're speaking of the video for the Internet's first single, "Cocaine," in which Syd picks up a doe-eyed girl at a carnival, gets her to snort the white powder, makes out with her and then shoves her out of a truck when she passes out. Upon its November release, Syd faced criticism. "[The video] completely degrades the kind of positive media attention lesbians and women have fought for," opined writer Courtney Gillette in a piece for queer women's media site, calling her "just as careless and offensive as the rest of Odd Future. But Syd says such reactions miss the point. The song's lyrics, like, "Baby just ignore the consequence/You look like you could use a little confidence," are reactions to the drugs and vice that have accompanied Odd Future's newfound fame. "I haven't tried cocaine," she says, exasperated. "[The whole point is] don't go to a carnival and do cocaine with a stranger! Or someone who would kick you out of a car for!"

"Curiosity about Syd tends to focus on two things: her sexuality, and how she can tolerate being in a group known for homophobic and misogynistic slurs. The former, she prefers not to address directly. "I hate the word lesbian," Syd says. Although she's comfortable with who she is, she worries that talk of her personal life will overshadow her music. "I don't want anyone saying, 'Oh, that's dope, for a gay girl.' "

"Look, I don't represent bald niggas," Matthew Martin (her producer) adds. "And Syd doesn't represent women or gay people."

"As for Odd Future's slurs — NME reported more than 200 variations of "faggot" on Tyler's album Goblin — Syd maintains they're not meant to be taken literally. "We know where we cross the line, but we also think the world would be a much better and funnier place if people weren't so offended by it. One thing you can't say about Tyler is that he's a liar. He's not really out there raping girls. He tells you that they're fantasies."

"She accuses Alicia Keys, Queen Latifah and Missy Elliott of being closeted lesbians and laments the lack of "openly dyke" artists for her to look up to. That's where she comes in, she says, noting that she's been flooded with fan mail for her openness in the "Cocaine" video."

"If I could help open a door for someone, who knows what I could do next?" she says, hugging her knees to her chest. "It took me a very long time to be comfortable in my own skin. I would love if everyone could be that happy."

just thought someone might actually want to hear what SHE has to say about it...
Posted by kirk huffman on January 24, 2012 at 9:15 AM · Report this
Larry Mizell, Jr. 13
@8, shit, my bad!
Posted by Larry Mizell, Jr. on January 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM · Report this
Larry Mizell, Jr. 14
@10 i mean. you get it.
Posted by Larry Mizell, Jr. on January 24, 2012 at 2:45 PM · Report this

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