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Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Musicians: Still Being Ripped Off 24/7

Posted by on Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM

The Trichordist has an essay on how shady web sites like The Pirate Bay, Demonoid, Iso Hunt, and others are exploiting musicians' work without compensating them. If you're a musician and/or you care about ethics and copyright, you should read the whole thing. Here's a key passage:

To the uninitiated, it might seem odd that what seems like a simple question of right or wrong is even being debated, but these sites that exploit artists are supported and promoted by faux civil liberty groups opposed to protecting creators rights — and internet giants are happy to throw their support behind them. Together, they have crafted a narrative of creator rights as quaint and outdated, offering artists a brave new online world where they can throw off the shackles of labels (or publishers, or studios, etc.) and give away their work to find fame and fortune. However, after a decade of half baked ideas, faulty business models, and outright lies, we know this is simply untrue. If the internet is working for musicians, why aren’t more musicians working professionally?

We may not always be fans of record labels, but at least the labels negotiate contracts, pay advances, market and promote artists, and are contractually accountable for wrong doing. However, the Artist Exploitation sites who are operating illegally and completely above the law are making 100% of the money from work created by musicians and artists. We would love to see the day when these sites license music legally, governed by fairly negotiated contracts.

 

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Sam Levine 1
We are in the middle of the biggest explosion in human creativity, culture and art. Ever. Generally, when things become less scarce they cost less money. You can complain about your buggy whip business being made obsolete. Or you can do something people want to pay you for.

That's it. Sorry to break the news. I've been writing this, in many forms, since I was a teenager in the 90s. It was true in the 80s as well and it hasn't gotten any less true since then. If people aren't paying you for your work, you aren't doing anything they want to pay you for.

This isn't about making more musicians. We don't need more musicians. We need music, performances and all the experiences that come with them. There is scarcity here that artists can profit from. There is scarcity of time, of location and of experience.

Every single day we step closer and closer to death. If you can't sell someone something based on the idea that if they pay a couple bucks that they support you as an artist, or that you save them some time from getting a copy from a friend, or that the experience they get by doing X is something they will treasure forever, or that this item is something only a few people will have, then you don't have a business model that works today.

People break copyright law every day in the knowledge that they won't be able to profit from their work, just so they can make something. We don't need to give anyone an unlimited monopoly on their dent in the universe. The people standing in the way of art aren't those people that dare to use their computers to copy things. It's the people that profit from an obsolete monopoly propped up by the government.

tl;dr if you could download a car it would be a wonderful thing
Posted by Sam Levine http://levinetech.net on June 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM
metardtard 2
I want to download a car
Posted by metardtard on June 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM
MoodOrgan 3
"We are in the middle of the biggest explosion in human creativity, culture and art. Ever. Generally, when things become less scarce they cost less money."

I see your point. It's similar to the way that the industrial revolution represented an unprecedented explosion in manufacturing. Since manufactured products became less scarce, they cost less money. The result was that manufacturers did not make any money.

Bullshit.
Posted by MoodOrgan on June 6, 2012 at 12:08 PM
Sam Levine 4
@3

Even today you need to make a large capex to manufacture something, or pay someone that already has, even if it has gone down over the years. IP is different. I can copy several copies of the library of congress onto a hard drive that costs less than $100.

So no, not bullshit. But please do try again.
Posted by Sam Levine http://levinetech.net on June 6, 2012 at 12:20 PM
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I want to see Sam Levine's face when some entity steals his words and profits from them while not compensating Sam Levine.
Posted by Dave Segal on June 6, 2012 at 1:44 PM
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I preface this by saying that I have maybe illegally downloaded 5 songs in my life because I couldn't get them legitimately (imports or not reissued). I love bandcamp because I know that artists are getting a bigger piece of the pie than through most record labels. In theory I like kickstarter although I've never participated.

However, I am in the camp that thinks piracy doesn't do the damage that people say it does, or at least I've never seen any data that supports it. Ex: http://www.freakonomics.com/2012/01/12/h…

I think that there are people who would never pay anything and pirate media. I think there are people that pirate media and then support the artist in other ways. Pirated media becomes like free advertising. But I understand that the inherent nature of the internet takes that choice away from artists and I imagine that can make one frustrated. I am not a creator, but I am an avid consumer and I have to say I spend A LOT more on music today than I did 10 years ago because I am able to hear stuff online for free. However I use AdBlock, so all the blogs I read aren't making a dime off my visit, which means I guess I'm pirating content?

tl;dr The topic of pirated media is a complex issue!
Posted by sisyphusgal on June 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Cordwainer 7
@2: Working hard to avoid grasping the concept. Good job!

OP: Go tell it to Million-Dollar Amanda Palmer. Sam Levine is right.
Posted by Cordwainer on June 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM
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gotta get that sailor jerry's money!
Posted by Real Fake on June 7, 2012 at 5:29 PM
MoodOrgan 9
@4: I confess that I'm having a hard time following your post. How is making music a "buggy whip business" if it is still consumed en masse? The article is about how people keep using buggy whips, but the guys who craft buggy whips aren't getting paid anymore. & in fact, some others are profiting by giving away those buggy whips which they didn't create. Right? and yes, I had to look up 'Capex'.

You say, "If people aren't paying you for your work, you aren't doing anything they want to pay you for." If the YOU means musicians, then it's true that people aren't paying YOU for your work. People are paying someone else for your work. Companies are paying to advertise on sites that do nothing but give away your work.

http://thetrichordist.wordpress.com/2012…

@7: No, I'm not intentionally being dense. Believe it or not, I'm trying to see where he's coming from because it doesn't make much sense to me & I've never studied IP or economics. I hope being the guy who posts snarky, patronizing comments in an online forum is going swimmingly for you.
Posted by MoodOrgan on June 7, 2012 at 9:12 PM

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