http://lineout.thestranger.com/lineout/archives/2009/06/28/that-was-glorious-wasnt-it Comments On: That Was Glorious, Wasn't It? by Christopher Frizzelle en-us Copyright 2009 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:00:01 -0800 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:15:00 -0800 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
That's not an argument, that's just another hipster cunt assuming that everyone wants to be just like her/him.

I don't give a shit how loud the music from Kurrent is...I can't hear it from my condo. At all. I mean, not even a bass line or a drunken mob. That bullshit going on in the lot? I could hear that like it was coming from my own stereo. So I gave it 10 minutes and I called the cops. And I'll do it again. You assholes live in the city--not everyone is going to like your super happy funtimes and sometimes, we're going to complain about it. If you don't want neighbors getting pissed off about your dance riot, maybe you should move to Fraternity Row.

I think you're right--people in this city do need to lighten the fuck up. Take your own advice.
Posted by jealous hater]]> Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:09:23 -0700 The Stranger
Your blatant blanket statements about identities and communities you obviously have no idea about aside, if you read my whole post you'd see the part where I say that a LOT of folks present that night had to be up early doing those things you mentioned, and had been going strong all day/week and still danced and had fun for a mere 20 minutes, myself included. I was up at 7:30 the next morning, so suck it. I think the real overall theme I'm taking away from all this is people in this city need to lighten the fuck up all around.

Oh, and last night I was walking by Kurrent at 1:00 AM, and they had equally loud (and WAY worse) music blasting with all windows open, and a whole group of drunk screaming people out front, just down the block from RPlace, who'd sub woofers were contributing a decent amount of noise as well.

I think haters are just jealous that they aren't the cool kids in town, or that their friends don't throw parties that are half as fun. While you were griping, I was having the time of my life, so cry me a river. It was one night - deal with it.
Posted by Evz]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:58:55 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Chris Jury]]> Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:06:13 -0700 The Stranger
These self-righteous dipshit "revolutionaries" need a history lesson. Harvey Milk had a fucking job. Guess that makes him "on the wrong side of history" though.

Too bad.
Posted by buck futter]]> Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:24:15 -0700 The Stranger Posted by hunx]]> Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:04:08 -0700 The Stranger
Fight for your rights in a way that actually makes a difference to the people you're fighting against. Throwing an impromptu dance party in your own neighborhood does nothing to stick it to "the man"; it just pisses off your neighbors and gives those that are already intolerant to you some fuel for their (misdirected) fire.

This isn't Stonewall, or the Montgomery Bus Boycott, or anything culturally impactful. It's a drunk ass dance party in a parking lot because you were pissed off at Budweiser for charging 5 bucks for a beer. Again, I say to actually step out of your neighborhood, organize an alternative to PRIDE if you're so upset by how it's working out. Find alternative venues that buck off sponsorship. Support those places. God forbid, you have to get off of the Hill to do such things.
Posted by Casual_Observer]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:28:08 -0700 The Stranger
It is sad to see so much flaming and hatred here... But I guess that is what happens when you have no accountability for what you say in this internet space.

I still think that this queer visibility and reclaiming space is important, especially in the context of what is going on in the capitol hill neighborhood. I agree with the sentiment of post 58 alot...
Posted by jessi]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:05:43 -0700 The Stranger
It was a fun thing, it was a rude and selfish thing. No need to argue folks, it can be both at once. Two sides of the same coin.

To UpTheQueerPunks, RF, Evz, and anyone else who wants to ascribe some MLK-like virtue to this, I call bullshit loud and queer... I mean clear. If this was your big "fuck you" to the beer companies who have realized that gays are a market, then perhaps you should organize your dance party at their offices during business hours; that's the only way they're going to have the slightest fucking idea that maybe 200 people in a city of 600,000 have a problem with their attention to the queer community. This wasn't the fucking Montgomery Bus Boycott, you're not Rosa Parks. This will have no impact whatsoever on the way the rest of the world makes a skanky, greased-up fuckfest out of the anniversary of a botched mafia/cop payoff gone wrong. (Wikipedia it, you might be less enthusiastic about wrapping yourself in the cum-stained flag of the Stonewall Inn.)

Did anyone ever think that perhaps Conner and anyone else who wanted to be asleep at midnight on a Saturday might be doing so for reasons you *would* approve of? Perhaps he wakes up early to work for the Chicken Soup Brigade. Maybe he works at the bakery that supplies the croissants and bagels to your favorite coffee shop. Maybe he was just all tuckered out from his *own* day of Smashing the State and wanted to be well rested to get up early Sunday and protest a Catholic church somewhere. Hey, maybe he was up all night Friday on a meth/poppers/anonymous blowjob bender and was feeling like there were spiders crawling on his face, who fucking knows? If you assume the privilege to vet someone else's life to decide whether you're being an asshole - don't bother, you already are.

Now about all this "if you can't take the Gay Heat, get off of Capitol Hill" horseshit. Is that what you really want, a gay ghetto? Seems like it would be a really easy place for people to go if they had a problem with gays. Police raids, gay bashing, local businesses getting no outside business... yeah, sounds like a great place to live. If you have a problem with (mostly) white, (mostly) straight people, I have some bad news for you: YOU'RE IN SEATTLE. It's mostly white (74%) and mostly straight (87%).

Don't confuse all straight white people's annoyance with racism or homophobia; if someone in Seattle has a problem with you it's probably not because you're a half African American, half Japanese pre-op m-to-f transsexual who identifies lesbian.... it's because, coincidentally, you also happen to be an insufferable fucking douchebag who looks for conflict at every opportunity.

Try to learn some empathy and the world will smile upon you. That's true for straight white people, gay chinese people, latin she-males, everybody.
Posted by 4254 Fremont apt d]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:42:27 -0700 The Stranger it's Martial Law down there anyway.
OH WAIT, I FORGOT. NO ONE WHO LIVES IN CAP HILL LEAVES THE HILL.

God forbid this "diverse crew" ever leave their little bubble.
Posted by Casual_Observer]]> Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:26:20 -0700 The Stranger Posted by washed up has been]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:57:18 -0700 The Stranger
You're right, the people who called the cops don't belong in your neighborhood because they're ADULTS. They might want to live somewhere not populated by overgrown 7th graders.
Posted by seriously?]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:52:41 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Nick]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:16:53 -0700 The Stranger Posted by McGee]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:41:59 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Breeders RAUS! Don't let the sun set on you on CH]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:49:34 -0700 The Stranger
I see this dance party as a demonstration of reclaiming of queer space in capital hill. I definitely think that idea is important. And do you think that folks at the dance party are just involved in that sole action? I'm sure they were boycotting pride and going to bend-it and doing other things as well. I see the dance party as just one action against corporate pride, not the one statement against it. Ya they could have got a permit and done it in the park, but I think that is missing the point a bit.

Posted by onna]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:33:23 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Christopher Frizzelle]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:23:23 -0700 The Stranger
More recently, to beg the question has been used as a synonym for to raise the question, or to indicate that the question really ought to be addressed. For example, "This year's budget deficit is half a trillion dollars. This begs the question: how are we ever going to balance the budget?"

Arguments over whether such usage should be considered incorrect are an example of debate over linguistic prescription and description.

Nobody likes the language police.
Posted by paulus]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:40:27 -0700 The Stranger Posted by geetha]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:37:42 -0700 The Stranger Posted by Non-Gays GET OFF CH! People with real jobs too!!]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:37:20 -0700 The Stranger Posted by McGee]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:32:38 -0700 The Stranger Posted by nertz]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:21:34 -0700 The Stranger
I'm calling bullshit on this obvious lie.
Posted by don't lie to get what you want]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:20:06 -0700 The Stranger
It is called FREEDOM. If you don't like it, move and start a new fagborhood.
Posted by Fagborhood!!!!]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:17:08 -0700 The Stranger Posted by geetha]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:16:17 -0700 The Stranger
I'm very close to the people responsible for what has been dubbed the "Guerrilla Dance Party" and while I understand how frustrating it is to be woken up by loud music in the middle of the night (it's happened to me, believe me, I understand!) I think a lot of people who are calling participants "selfish" or "self-centered" here really need to be looking at the entitlement they are flinging around.

The fact of the matter is, a lot of queer people don't want a neighborhood where no one else is allowed, it's just that for a long time, we haven't been allowed outside of designated spaces. Remember when people used to call areas of Capitol Hill the gay ghetto? Those of you who claim to have lived on the hill for 8 years might. What about the selfishness and entitlement exerted by the huge numbers of rich, (mostly) white, (mostly) straight people who think they have the right to move into any neighborhood they want, tear it down, build it up, and not be active participants in the community at all? What about the fact that the pride parade, and it's festivities have been moved out of our neighborhood (along with most of us, actually) because straight people felt "left-out" and "uncomfortable" when they were held on Capitol Hill? What about the fact that I've been woken up much later, many more times, on NON-WEEKEND NIGHTS because another one of my friends was gay bashed by another entitled, selfish, straight man who wanted to live in the hip part of town, and the cops didn't show up at all?

The bottom line: As someone who was there from the beginning, I'll say that it was a neighbor from the apartments who allowed participants to use power from their building with their blessing. I will also say that I'm saddened by the outcome, because some participants decided to start an un-necessary battle with the police that was nothing short of disheartening. Throughout the 20 minutes we were there, people from all over the place (including Kurrent, and neighboring residents) came to participate and dance. In the true spirit of Peace, Love, and Equality, for one brief moment, there was a sea of all kinds of people from all walks of life dancing and laughing together. Just because the majority of them were punk queer kids doesn't mean others weren't there. It was also patrons from Kurrent who were telling the DJ to keep playing once he'd turned the music off, and egging tha party on. I know, I was standing right there.

Once again, we're sorry we woke you up, annoyed you, or for the "police riot" that ensued afterwords, but for those 15 minutes, I feel like the true spirit of what Pride and the values it claims to express were represented full force in one really awesome event. Sorry if your cushy condo was disrupted for one weekend night. Did you really have to be up that early on a Sunday? A lot of those people who aren't "urban twenty-something professionals" had to be up early the next day for work, not church or whatever, and they were dancing in the street like nothing mattered. Because it didn't.

Oh, and it was Michael Jackson's "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough" that kicked off everything, and "Please Don't Stop The Music" samples that, hence the reason for playing it.
Posted by Evz]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:41:07 -0700 The Stranger