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      <title>Comments On: What We Hate
    
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      <![CDATA[Ah...listened to some of this "post rock" biz, its prog...kinda mid '70 Pink Floyd.
        
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      <![CDATA[Post-rock initially sprung up around Tortoise and bands of that ilk in the mid-90s.  Eventually it just turned into a standard line for guitar bands with long instrumental songs with lots of delay pedals.
        
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      <![CDATA[@11 ms keekee, who was considered post-rock in the '90s?  Seems like prog would be post rock...whatevs, its a term I dont really like or use. Hmmmm, I bet the same kids Ive heard call records "vinyls" use that term.
        
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      <![CDATA[@11 i guess i'm just out of the loop. i don't recall hearing the term "post-rock" in any sort of definitive manner prior to 3 or 4 years ago, and i was at the GY!BE shows back in their active years. maybe i wasn't paying close enough attention. or more likely, i wasn't reading music press.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[More, I Say!]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[...Es un PATO Ellington!  Duck Ellington!
        
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      <![CDATA[Brian, there's always something comforting about seeing you mention great now-obscure 90's hardcore. A big thumbs up to this whole post. On point, as usual.
        
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      <![CDATA[I have never once read or heard of Black Sabbath or Deep Purple being refered to as Stoner Rock.  <br />
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And the term Post-Rock predates the formation of Godspeed You! Black Emperor by at least a decade.<br />
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Get it togetha!<br />
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I believe that it was Duke Ellington who said: "There are only two types of musik: good & bad."<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[You read my mind, Brian.
        
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      <![CDATA[You always have great things to say Brian, I agree with this writeup completely. Keep making amazing music & see you on tour with Russian Circles in October!
        
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      <![CDATA[@6 yes, an unfortunately reality!!! <br />
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When writers use those terms its a good qualifier for me to know it's time to quit reading further.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah, Dire Straits gets on every fucking last nerve!
        
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      <![CDATA[@4 i'm obviously not in favor of the practice, i'm just saying that it's the unfortunately reality. Sabbath obviously wasn't a stoner rock band. Godspeed You! Black Emperor wasn't a post-rock band. Reversal of Man wasn't a screamo band. But those bands are now hopelessly linked to those genre tags.<br />
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then again, we've always applied umbrella terms to the past. Da Vinci didn't know he was a Renaissance artist.
        
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      <![CDATA[as somebody who likes ska (but, you know, whos sum is more than all the parts involved with "liking ska"), YEP to this whole post. it reminds me of this tobi vail quote:<br />
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dismissing something based on genre or hype, is buying into capitalist ways of organizing information. there are good songs in every style of music, and all musicians have to promote themselves in order to earn a living.<br />
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similarly, not going to a ‘black-metal’ show because you are in an indie-pop band or only like country music made in the 1930’s is to substitute genres for logos and is another form of conspicuous consumption. obviously this is not a threat to capitalism. if you are into a certain kind of music, fine, but don’t let that define you or close you off to a world of experience.
        
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      <![CDATA["While I would argue that “screamo” was a termed coined by music writers in the wake of crossover successes like At The Drive In, there’s no denying that the term now covers the entire lineage."<br />
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I dunno, I don't think contemporary terms are accurate when used retroactively.  Terms like "stoner rock" and "screamo" used on older groups just to build a context around contemporary groups only shows how young/not in the know these writers are.  Like, labeling Sabbath or Deep Purple "stoner rock"...a new term for new bands...its revisionism.  Not cool.  No one used that term in 1970.  The revisionism is a short cut, less ain't more, not always.
        
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      <![CDATA["Blanket dismissals of genres are for novices."  --  That says so concisely something I've been arguing for years with my friends who say they hate country/rap/whatever.  Their exposures to the genres they hate are likely limited to just what they hear on TV/radio, which makes it all the more likely that they've only heard the most pandering, lowest common denominator bullshit the genre has to offer.<br />
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Likewise, people who say they like everything without singling out genres they hate strike me as people who only listen to the radio.  If you can't list some genres or at least some bands that you DO like, then I'm probably not interested in talking about music with you anyway.<br />
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Then again, I actually really like Thursday, so you're probably not interested in what I have to say either.
        
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      <![CDATA[I saw some Tuvan throat singing at the Triple Door earlier this year and it was fucking awesome.
        
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      <![CDATA[Good piece, Brian!
        
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